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    Homesteading, Colonies and Folkish Communities

    So in my constant expiriment of debating with our opposition [The anti racists, multiculturalists, and internationalists.] one of their ideas proposed to me for our side was that us nationalists could create territorial reservations for ourselves.

    I created this thread to kinda flirt with the idea and to get a general consensus of what others here have to think about such a proposal.

    What would be some of the pros and cons of all of us moving onto private reservations?

    I imagine if we could buy up plenty of land in our countries we could eventually end up owning half of the countries we seek to take back by buying territories within them collectively as a huge monetary economical financial force.

    [ We would then not have to resort to any war or violence on our part in that truely sometimes the pen is mightier than the sword.]

    Some people have already started doing this with the inception of PLE'S in Kalispell Montana of the United States.

    If we were really ingenious in going about it we could create farming, manufacturing, and various industries on these bought lands which we could finance ourselves in producing a hostile financial take over of buying up unused public or private land in the surrounding areas which we would then expand upon in.

    [While doing this we would keep expanding as much as possible where once we couldn't expand anymore in one state we would then go into another and keep expanding there.]

    [If we were coordinated enough we would then start to have coordinated private communities over entire countries where our social, political, and cultural presence could have the possibility of being massively influential.]

    These territories would then establish some of our most finest communities in which we could prosper and survive.

    We could even keep our day jobs in the surrounding cities which would also help finance the private communities of which we would be living in where all incomes would be added to keep the private reservation communities prospering.

    If it works for the Amish, why can't it work fur us as racial cultural nationalists?

    I think that with all our minds, wealth, and strong determination that we could actually collectively pull this off together.
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    Then basically all rural areas can be considered "reservations", can they not?

    In rural areas people already have their hearts and minds into their heritage/family, do they really have to be part of an organized movement in order to show this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorseWarrior View Post
    Then basically all rural areas can be considered "reservations", can they not?

    In rural areas people already have their hearts and minds into their heritage/family, do they really have to be part of an organized movement in order to show this?
    The problem with that is that most rural areas are considered public spaces of land or public neighborhoods where they are the sole possession of the federal government meaning you can't keep them segregated in that by doing so you become liable for a class action lawsuit for discrimination.

    With private land whoever owns the land decides who comes in and who doesn't.

    With private communities we can then create our own private security forces and so fourth.

    Our only interaction with the federal government would be paying taxes and that's about it really especially if we got to a point where we became completely self sufficient.

    Imagine having our own schools, colleges, medical facilities, libraries, and the all the conveniences of modern life where we get to decide how they are implemented not to mention decide who get's to use them as well.

    Our own teachers,bankers,journalists,thinkers, scientists, doctors, librarians, and so fourth.

    If you even wanted to reject modern life you would have the independence to do so like the Amish because again private land is less structured compared to the general public.

    Let's face it the rural heartland of the United States and many other countries are becoming multiculturally infiltrated.

    By opting out for privatized territories I think we have a shot at segregating and preserving ourselves in one great big sweep where we wouldn't have to worry much about intervention when it concerns government or the rest of the world.

    [Possibly somthing it could look like.]






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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaricLachlan View Post
    The problem with that is that most rural areas are considered public spaces of land where they are the sole possesion of the federal government meaning you can't keep them segregated.

    With private land whoever owns the land decides who comes and who doesn't.
    The federal government doesn't own that much of the land.



    Most of the land shown to be owned by the government is unpopulated and mountainous, and I'm sure this map is outdated by 20-30 years.

    Farmers own their cornfields; "Trespassers will be shot" signs are common along the border of people's properties.


    Imagine having our own schools, colleges, medical facilities, libraries, and the all the conveniences of modern life where we get to decide how they are implemented.

    Our own teachers, doctors, librarians, and so fourth.
    Here in "the country" the professions and institutions you mention are of the people, by the people, and for the most part, for the people. The government and special interest groups rarely poke their head into affairs, although sadly, PC is making its way into schools...

    The cliché "small town where everyone knows each other" is actually very true. Not only do they know each other, but they are very connected with one another, not at all like the 'everyone for themself' bit you find in cities.

    At least this is what I get the impression of when you say "our own" I guess we are on different frequencies, one being urban and the other rural

    Let's face it the rural heartland of the United States and many other countries are becoming multiculturally infiltrated.
    Maybe politically, but population wise, it still has a way to go (although it is happening )

    Immigrants move to the city as opposed to the country for a reason: this is where all the jobs and housing is at. It's not like they can move onto a cornfield and expect to find a job with a city of a few hundred people.

    Only "semi-rural" cities like mine with some sort of industry are currently infected with immigrants, and these are the ones who are too poor to relocate to a city (since most of our industry has moved to China, larger cities, or disappeared due to the economic times)

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorseWarrior View Post
    The federal government doesn't own that much of the land.



    Most of the land shown to be owned by the government is unpopulated and mountainous, and I'm sure this map is outdated by 20-30 years.

    Farmers own their cornfields; "Trespassers will be shot" signs are common along the border of people's properties.




    Here in "the country" the professions and institutions you mention are of the people, by the people, and for the most part, for the people. The government and special interest groups rarely poke their head into affairs, although sadly, PC is making its way into schools...

    The cliché "small town where everyone knows each other" is actually very true. Not only do they know each other, but they are very connected with one another, not at all like the 'everyone for themself' bit you find in cities.

    At least this is what I get the impression of when you say "our own" I guess we are on different frequencies, one being urban and the other rural



    Maybe politically, but population wise, it still has a way to go (although it is happening )

    Immigrants move to the city as opposed to the country for a reason: this is where all the jobs and housing is at. It's not like they can move onto a cornfield and expect to find a job with a city of a few hundred people.

    Only "semi-rural" cities like mine with some sort of industry are currently infected with immigrants, and these are the ones who are too poor to relocate to a city (since most of our industry has moved to China, larger cities, or disappeared due to the economic times)
    Eventually when these multicultural and multiracial cities become way too overpopulated in the near future they will branch out into the surrounding rural areas in migrating population fluctuations.

    It's simple why we must transfer ourselves from public neighborhoods to private ones on land and territory that is privatized.

    The cliché "small town where everyone knows each other" is actually very true. Not only do they know each other, but they are very connected with one another, not at all like the 'everyone for themself' bit you find in cities.

    At least this is what I get the impression of when you say "our own" I guess we are on different frequencies, one being urban and the other rural
    That's exactly what I meant.

    Maybe politically, but population wise, it still has a way to go (although it is happening )
    Only "semi-rural" cities like mine with some sort of industry are currently infected with immigrants, and these are the ones who are too poor to relocate to a city (since most of our industry has moved to China, larger cities, or disappeared due to the economic times)
    All the more reason we need to become privatized.



    It's not like they can move onto a cornfield and expect to find a job with a city of a few hundred people.
    Yes but at that same token the traditional farming community is disappearing where the youth of small towns flee towards the urban cities.

    If we owned private lands we could then create private industry like creating our own corporate industrial farming businesses of which we could compete against those owned by the federal government.

    [We could employ the local youth of small towns where they can live raise families and also at the same time help increase the local population.]
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaricLachlan View Post
    [Possibly somthing it could look like.]






    [Something it does look like.]






    (no I do not know these people, just something from google images, I DO know these towns though.)


    Eventually when these multicultural and multiracial cities become way too overpopulated in the near future they will branch out into the surrounding rural areas in migrating population fluctuations.

    It's simple why we must transfer ourselves from public neighborhoods to private ones on land and territory that is privatized.
    Eventually we will exhaust ourselves of places to run away to. We must dig in and secure what we have now.

    Also, you raise something that I need to point out. You mention rising city populations and spillover. Keep in mind that massive amounts of white immigration/population increase will cause this too, we cannot have every white in America leave the city to come here. It also disrupts our way of life when we get massive influxes of people (of any race/culture)


    That's exactly what I meant.
    We need to get you out of the city then mate, it's not just a small part of Iowa or Illinois that is like this, it is the ENTIRE Midwest (minus the cities of course)


    All the more reason we need to become privatized.
    I agree with you.

    Yes but at that same token the traditional farming community is disappearing where the youth of small towns flee towards the urban cities.
    This is in part due to the increase in population, as I mentioned above with the immigrants trying to find jobs in small cities; there are none, children who would typically stay on their parents farms no longer need to, as farming technology has advanced. Having no job, they move to the cities to look for one.

    If we owned private lands we could then create private industry like creating our own corporate industrial farming businesses of which we could compete against those owned by the federal government.
    The farmers hate being owned by corporations just as much as they hate being owned by the government. They take immense pride in their occupation, it is not simply another "job", it is a way of life.

    [We could employ the local youth of small towns where they can live raise families and also at the same time help increase the local population.]
    Turning small towns into large ones is detrimental to our way of life. Also, keep in mind there is not much land to build on, there are no empty pieces of land with prairie or forest, they are farms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorseWarrior View Post
    [Something it does look like.]






    (no I do not know these people, just something from google images, I DO know these towns though.)




    Eventually we will exhaust ourselves of places to run away to. We must dig in and secure what we have now.

    Also, you raise something that I need to point out. You mention rising city populations and spillover. Keep in mind that massive amounts of white immigration/population increase will cause this too, we cannot have every white in America leave the city to come here. It also disrupts our way of life when we get massive influxes of people (of any race/culture)




    We need to get you out of the city then mate, it's not just a small part of Iowa or Illinois that is like this, it is the ENTIRE Midwest (minus the cities of course)




    I agree with you.

    Eventually we will exhaust ourselves of places to run away to. We must dig in and secure what we have now.
    You can't dig in when it concerns areas that aren't privatized that are under the direct control of the general public of whom the government dictates.

    Most of the conveniences afforded to government when it concerns public neighborhoods isn't afforded to it so much when it concerns people living on privately owned land.

    Keep in mind I don't necessarily see this as running away because this plan of mine seeks a general expansion as well in that the goal would be to buy up as much land as possible across the United States as a sure way of growing our numbers.

    Yes in a way it is a sort of retreat but it's retreat with a goal in mind of expanding later afterwards.


    Also, you raise something that I need to point out. You mention rising city populations and spillover. Keep in mind that massive amounts of white immigration/population increase will cause this too, we cannot have every white in America leave the city to come here.
    But here's the brilliant part...... We could still work in the city to make our living where would have our communities on private lands outside of the cities to go home to.

    [Think of it as gated communities owned on private land.]

    It also disrupts our way of life when we get massive influxes of people (of any race/culture)
    It wouldn't especially if we incorporated local farmers to join in on the constructed reservations.

    Those farmers would only be a economical plus to help sustaining private communities on purchased lands and they would financially benefit from those using their services.

    We need to get you out of the city then mate, it's not just a small part of Iowa or Illinois that is like this, it is the ENTIRE Midwest (minus the cities of course)
    Hey if there was a farming community out there that I know I could join and be employed there immediately after moving I would of been over there before yesterday in that my bags would of already been packed.

    This is in part due to the increase in population, as I mentioned above with the immigrants trying to find jobs in small cities; there are none, children who would typically stay on their parents farms no longer need to, as farming technology has advanced. Having no job, they move to the cities to look for one.
    Exactly. So instead of being dependent on corporations and corporate industries creating the jobs we could all collectively come together with our most brightest by creating our own corporate industries to make a profit off of by employing our own people.

    [On privately reserved lands where we have the power to do so.]

    The farmers hate being owned by corporations just as much as they hate being owned by the government. They take immense pride in their occupation, it is not simply another "job", it is a way of life.
    Sure I understand.

    I'm just saying we could make things more efficient for the local farmer by making their methods of farming more advanced by adding new technological methods that can keep up with the big industrious corporate farming entities that are starting to pop up everywhere.



    Turning small towns into large ones is detrimental to our way of life. Also, keep in mind there is not much land to build on, there are no empty pieces of land with prairie or forest, they are farms.
    I'm not talking about transforming small farming communities.

    They would be incorporated.

    However being that these gated communities on private land would hold sizable large populations it might not become uncommon that they might become very large town centers overtime.
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    I think racial reservations are a great idea and if i had the money and knew of one in a area i liked i would probably join into it.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlaricLachlan View Post

    We could even keep our day jobs in the surrounding cities which would also help finance the private communities of which we would be living in where all incomes would be added to keep the private reservation communities prospering.
    This is the only thing in your post i dislike. Pooling everyone's income together sounds similar to communism to me and that i dislike. Now a tax for living in this community would be a good idea i think, but i don't like the idea of pooling all the money. If someone in the community works twice the hours i do than i do not deserve the same amount to live on as them. You work, you earn your income, you use your income.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaricLachlan View Post
    Keep in mind I don't necessarily see this as running away because this plan of mine seeks a general expansion as well in that the goal would be to buy up as much land as possible across the United States as a sure way of growing our numbers.

    Yes in a way it is a sort of retreat but it's retreat with a goal in mind of expanding later afterwards.
    Sure, a safety net of sorts, yes?

    Hey if there was a farming community out there that I know I could join and be employed there immediately after moving I would of been over there before yesterday in that my bags would of already been packed.
    You have to work your way down, you can't just go from a decent sized city down to population 100. Find some town that is considerably smaller than yours and just work your way down in population. Of course this would take lots of determination and there is no guarantee for success.

    Like I said, everyone knows each other; they are farmings communities, not towns. In order to survive you must know people and be involved with the community.

    Exactly. So instead of being dependent on corporations and corporate industries creating the jobs we could all collectively come together with our most brightest by creating our own corporate industries to make a profit off of by employing our own people.

    [On privately reserved lands where we have the power to do so.]
    The majority, if not all of the small buisnesses here are owned by the people, hire the people, and do all they can to give back to the people. You wish to create more, and larger organized buisnesses, which I honestly believe would eventually get corrupted and not serve their purpose. (Even if they are made up of good natured Germanics)

    Don't fix what's not broken. You know what I mean?

    I'm just saying we could make things more efficient for the local farmer by making their methods of farming more advanced by adding new technological methods that can keep up with the big industrious corporate farming entities that are starting to pop up everywhere.
    Farmers are usually pretty close up to the curve when it comes to technology. They invest their money wisely when it comes to farming tools, etc. I have personally never really heard too much about these large industrial farms, as far as I know they are experiments done by multi-billion dollar corporations who are just interested in cutting out the middleman when it comes to getting the supplies they need. But of course, if I don't know, please tell me. I've just never heard much concern about these before.


    But here's the brilliant part...... We could still work in the city to make our living where would have our communities on private lands outside of the cities to go home to.
    [Think of it as gated communities owned on private land.]
    It wouldn't especially if we incorporated local farmers to join in on the constructed reservations.
    Those farmers would only be a economical plus to help sustaining private communities on purchased lands and they would financially benefit from those using their services.
    I'm not talking about transforming small farming communities. They would be incorporated. However being that these gated communities on private land would hold sizable large populations it might not become uncommon that they might become very large town centers overtime.
    So in other words, you are transforming small farm communities into large[r] settlements?


    To me at least, you are trying to say that this is not a "new city away from the city", even though to me it seems that it definately is. Not that it's a bad idea, just that I personally don't see it working here in the Midwest. Maybe in an unpopulated place like Alaska or something. (but Alaska is extremely poor for crops, so that might not work)

    We need to fix the current system, not make a new one.



    This is all I can debate for now, we can continue tomorrow.

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    John Robb talks about this all the time over at his blog GlobalGuerillas.

    http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/

    He posits that in the dystopic future resilient communities will arise to help various bands/groups/tribes of human beings get through hard(er) times.

    Go through a couple pages of his blog you'll find a lot of material on it, along with some other helpful ideas.

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