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    The whole system is in a state of collapse. There will be no civil war as you know from history. There will be small fiefdoms from strongmen and small territories controlled by 'identity' groups.

    It will all be about survival and not 'civil' at all.

    It might be a good idea to loosely form those groups, become agricultural (like gardening on an above self sustaining scale), getting useful skills and means to protect against rogue groups, trying to steal resources.

    The survival period might be tough but it seems to be a cleansing period. The survivors will have their feet on the ground.

    ....and most likely, when all essential needs are fulfilled (water, food, shelter, warmth) white men will start a new culture.

    My expectation that the NWO's 'Ordo ab Chaos' (order out of Chaos) will not work the way they expect. There will be Chaos (or it's already there) but the order will not be by the NWO.

    They are too weak. They would need a modicum of control in the Chaos but what I see is that they rapidly lose control before the Chaos goes full steam.
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    Political Violence Is Inevitable In America

    The future looks like it has a lot of Balkanization and political violence in it.



    The shooting in Las Vegas is part and parcel now of living in the West. Nowhere in the West is it more evident now than in America that the many racial and ethnic groups are fighting over a carcass. A dead bag of ideas and principles that has been festering since at least 1965.

    The many ethnic and racial groups that comprise modern America are scavenging at this carcass in a desperate frenzy to grasp what resources from it that they can and as those resources begin to run out it will lead to confrontation and conflict.

    The country is on the edge of a radical conflict that will change the very geopolitical and demographic makeup of the North American continent. The old America of 1965 is dead and it’s time her former peoples go their separate ways to forge a new existence apart from one another.

    If the people who formerly used to call themselves Americans continue to fight over this carcass they will spark this aforementioned conflict and blood will be spilled. We see now that African Americans are ‘taking the knee’ to protest a country which they feel has treated them as second-class citizens throughout various points in history.

    They have the right to feel this way.

    According to PewSocialTrends.org nearly 43% of African Americans don’t believe America will make the changes necessary to give them equality. Meanwhile, affirmative action and massive welfare programs to re-distribute the nation’s wealth have remained in place for over half a century in an attempt to lift up Black America. Still, 66% of Blacks feel that they are treated less fairly when applying for a home loan and 75% are under the impression they are treated unfairly in the criminal justice system, a system which was purposely built to be the least biased in the world. Because of this perception of their situation, they have begun to demand change that not even they themselves believed White Americans would give them.

    They have demanded and received segregated black only forms at: California State University, University of Colorado Boulder. At The University of Chicago, they also demanded segregated housing. Harvard is now holding separate black only graduation ceremonies and blacks are increasingly returning to the South. This does not make up a population unified with the ideas of America. This is a population disillusioned with a nation they never felt they were truly a part of, to begin with.

    If the people who formerly used to call themselves Americans continue to fight over the carcass blood will be spilled.

    At her conception, America was a White, Anglo-Protestant nation with values reflected in that historic population. White Americans are resoundingly in opposition to the things Black America is currently standing for. 70% of them watch the NFL, 60% intend to watch less of the NFL now that players are disrespecting their dead country. This view on disrespect stems from the massively different political views Whites hold with the non-White population of the country. Nearly 42% of whites think that on-demand abortion in the United States should be outlawed, while 62% of Black Americans support it, and the Hispanic population is split almost 50/50 on the issue according to Pewform.org. Politically they continue to buck the trend of the people of color in the United States.

    If only White votes were counted, Trump would have gotten 369 electoral votes to Hillary’s 169 which is a huge departure from the 306 Trump to 232 Clinton which actually occurred as laid out by Brilliant Maps based on the electoral commission data.

    White Americans hold different views from all other populations in the United States, and this wide difference in views among races is one of the primary reasons America withered and died. A custodial population who imports more mess and more violence, and persons with opposing views, can never maintain a healthy society.

    The alien population of America: some 57,470,287 Hispanics, which constituted roughly 18% of the population in 2017 are yet another major driving force of future conflict.

    The Hispanic population in the country highlights almost perfectly the balkanization of the physical geography of the United States. Hispanics do not live where Blacks live and Blacks do not live where Hispanics live. The Southwestern United States has a Hispanic population of over 35% in every state in the region, and less than a 4.8% Black population in the region as a whole. Conversely, the Southern States all have Hispanic populations of less than 10%, with Florida being the only notable exception to this at around 20%. In 2015 Hispanic Americans went from having a 29% negative attitude towards the United States to a sharp 65% in 2017 and 41% are concerned about their place in America. This is a problem that before 1960 hardly existed as their small population of 6.3 million represented only 3.48% of the population, now they occupy a staggering 18% and in the space of just 57 years, their population in raw numbers has increased nine-fold. This is compounded by the rather conservative estimate that they will represent over 30.2% of the population in 2040 or 132.8 million individuals.

    A 128% increase in raw numbers.

    These two groups, The Blacks and Hispanics will not treat Whites with kindness and generosity. They took what Whites from all around the planet had contributed to and created and they began to bleed it dry. After the Las Vegas Massacre, it is obvious to most of us that the path to peaceful reconciliation is gone, if it existed at all before that, and we must be ready for a time when it is not only one man with a gun aiming a concert.

    These attacks will continue with the silence of the media and political class effectively sanctioning these kinds of actions as long as they are directed at Whites who vote the wrong way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    The whole system is in a state of collapse. There will be no civil war as you know from history. There will be small fiefdoms from strongmen and small territories controlled by 'identity' groups.

    It will all be about survival and not 'civil' at all.
    ...
    Civil war = two or more factions fighting over the control of a specified territory.
    It's commonly done, when society is polarized over certain issues, but doesn't mean that there is social collapse or something. Commonly, it heals pretty soon afterwards. That's, if you don't have Communists or something like that in charge, who will perpetuate internal conflicts or exercise close to completion control over society.

    As I see, it there will be a world crisis, followed by economic collapse that subsequently will lead to openly violent conflict between groups, but not necessarily with an ideological pretext. They'll fight over bare existence, hence types of warlordism. Will there be a functioning central government? I don't know. But I'd expect the Somalization of many countries.

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    Will we have a civil war? A SF officer turned diplomat estimates chances at 60 percent



    Events that could spark it:

    — Impeachment of the president or his fall from office.

    — Major terrorist attack and sense that the establishment can’t manage security — vigilantes, etc.

    — Opaque call to action by a failing president. (Consider Haiti’s Aristide.)

    — Economic downturn, with blame placed on certain groups by the President and his people. Self-protection begets militias on both sides.

    — Racial event that spirals out of control.

    — A war gone really bad that polarizes the country, with blame apportioned in such a way that groups start to lash out.

    Here’s other interesting scenarios to consider:

    — Military coup. I can easily see a scenario in which a wartime decision is so bad it has to be disobeyed, and in the course of consolidating the refusal to carry it out, the only real recourse is to remove the president.

    — Breakup of the republic. I was thinking about what it would take for things to start to break apart. This is much more than 15 years out, but some of the above could spark it, where we realize we are just different peoples and fundamentals divide us so strongly on core issues that it no longer works. I could see six states — California and the West Coast, the Rockies, the Heartland, the South, and the Northeast. Texas gets its own gig.

    — Precipitous decline. Could be defined in a number of different ways, and I guess we are already in it. But certainly internationally it could happen very quickly, and I think the results are very unclear. A large ship (the international order) losing its anchor (America) in a storm, could lead to all sorts of consequences.
    Source: Foreignpolicy.com
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    Americans Are More Radicalized Than Ever As The Country Literally Spirals Toward Civil War

    Now that Brett Kavanaugh has officially been confirmed, it is a good time to reflect upon where we are at as a nation.

    And where we are at is a nation that is rapidly moving toward a state of civil war. At one time we were a nation that was united by shared values, a shared purpose and a shared destiny, but now all of that has been replaced by anger, frustration, bitterness, strife and discord. The left hates the right and vice versa, and both sides are becoming increasingly radicalized. And without a doubt we are in a life or death battle for the future of America. Eventually one side or the other will emerge victorious, and their ideology will become dominant in this country.

    Up to this point, there has been a lot of screaming, yelling and protesting, but it isn’t going to take very much to push the nation over the edge into violence.

    On a daily basis the pot is being stirred by our leading politicians and the mainstream media, and it is very difficult to see any way that this story is going to end well.

    Early on Sunday, the Drudge Report was being headlined by an Axios story about “the radicalization of our public lives”…

    It’s going to get worse. Virtually every major American institution is being radicalized — or being reshaped by the radicalization of our public lives.

    You see this most vividly in politics, where the White House and Congress are often the cause and effect of the radicalization. You now see it in the courts and the Supreme Court, in particular, where a narrow, party-line vote made Brett Kavanaugh the next justice after a nasty, personal political brawl. Already, lawyer Michael Avenatti is calling for a new Democratic litmus test: increasing the size of the court to 11 from nine.

    In particular, it is on the left where we have seen the most extreme radicalization. This is something that President Trump commented on during his most recent rally…

    “Just imagine the devastation they would cause if they of their obtained the power they so desperately want and crave,” Trump added. “You don’t hand matches to an arsonist and you don’t give power to an angry left-wing mob, and that’s what they have become.”

    Trump then used Kavanaugh’s example to illustrate why conservatives need to vote during the midterm elections in four weeks so that Democrats don’t take back the House:

    “You have to vote,” Trump insisted. “On November 6 you will have the chance to stop the radical Democrats — and that’s what they have become — by electing a Republican House and a Republican Senate. We will increase our majorities. We need more Republicans. We need more Republicans.”

    “The Democrats have become too extreme and too dangerous to govern,” Trump continued. “Republicans believe in the rule of law not the rule of the mob.”

    Of course if Hillary Clinton had won the election, there are millions upon millions of Americans that would not have been willing to be governed by her either.

    We are rapidly getting to the point where America is simply going to be ungovernable.

    In order for any government to function, a certain percentage of the population must be willing to recognize that government as legitimate. For example, if everybody in the country suddenly decided to quit paying taxes there wouldn’t be too much that the federal government could do about it. They could put some of us in prison to try to scare the rest of us back in line, but if the rest of us refused to be intimidated our system of taxation would collapse.

    Every system of government depends upon the fact that most people will willingly submit to it, and we are rapidly getting to the point where a large portion of the population will not submit to being governed.

    Just consider what just took place in Washington. As Brett Kavanaugh was being sworn in, protesters were literally banging on and clawing the doors of the Supreme Court building…

    But perhaps no incident better expressed the protesters’ tenuous hold on sanity than a demonstration at the Supreme Court, where protesters — mostly women — broke through a police line and barged to the Court’s chamber, where they proceeded to wail, gnash teeth, and pound at the doors while Kavanaugh was being sworn in inside.

    Some of the protesters, who managed to get all the way through to the doors themselves, tried desperately to claw their way in, even though the doors were clearly locked (and look very heavy).

    If you have not seen this yet, you can watch footage of this happening on Facebook right here.

    And Chad Pergram is reporting that Republican senators had death threats texted to their personal phones…

    Colleague Peter Doocy rpts a GOP senator says senators have had death threats texted to their person phones. Calls that “unusual.” Also says some senators who flew home after Kavanaugh vote were accompanied by police for protection

    In a subsequent tweet, Pergram also reported that a gruesome beheading video was actually sent to the phone of Cory Gardner’s wife…

    Amid Kavanaugh furor & threats to mbrs, Sen. Cory Gardner (R-CO) tells Fox that his wife received a text with a video attachment showing a gruesome beheading. Someone has has also released the names of and addresses of his family members.

    Can you imagine how you would feel if that happened to you?

    Many of these leftist protesters are extremely passionate about protecting abortion rights. To be honest, I wish that those on the right were just as passionate about defending the lives of the unborn.

    Because the truth is that Brett Kavanaugh has never said that he intends to overturn Roe v. Wade. In fact, during her speech on the floor of the U.S. Senate explaining why she was voting for Kavanaugh, U.S. Senator Susan Collins admitted that Kavanaugh essentially promised her that he would not vote to overturn Roe v. Wade…

    Most notably, Collins said in her explanation of why she was not worried that Kavanaugh would overturn Roe that Kavanaugh had told her when they were discussing his nomination that he did not think five sitting justices—a majority of the nine member court—would be a sufficient number “to overturn long-established precedent.”

    This was after he had testified, she noted, that Roe–upheld by Casey–was “precedent on precedent.”

    “Finally, in his testimony, he noted repeatedly that Roe had been upheld by Planned Parenthood v. Casey, describing it as precedent on precedent,” said Collins in her floor speech. “When I asked him whether it would be sufficient to overturn a long-established precedent if five current Justices believed it was wrongly decided, he emphatically said no.”

    Kavanaugh didn’t just say no.

    He “emphatically said no“.

    After everything that happened, the ironic thing is that Kavanaugh getting on to the Supreme Court is a loss for conservatives, but nobody on the right wants to admit this. We got fooled by Justice Kennedy, we got fooled by Sandra Day O’Connor, we got fooled by David Souter, and now we have just been fooled again.

    Kavanaugh clerked for Justice Kennedy, and he is cut from the exact same cloth as his mentor. Kennedy was one of the key votes to uphold Roe v. Wade in the Casey decision, and he actually wrote the opinion for the case that legalized gay marriage in America. It is rumored that Kennedy would not retire until he was assured that Kavanaugh would be nominated in his place, because he knew that Kavanaugh would be the exact same type of Supreme Court justice that he had been.

    So conservatives should not be celebrating this “victory” at all.

    But what this confirmation process did prove is that we are closer to chaos on the streets of America than ever before. In fact, a recent New York Post articlesuggested that America “could be sleepwalking into a second civil war”…

    To be clear, what we just witnessed, and what we have seen for two years, is not a case of mere political differences, which the Founders recognized as inevitable and even desirable.

    Instead, we face something more akin to the combustible climate historian Christopher Clark described as the origins of World War I. In his book, “The Sleepwalkers: How Europe Went to War in 1914,” Clark illustrates how none of the great powers wanted war, but all felt free to escalate the build-up in the certainty that the other side would back down.

    Something similar is happening here, and our nation could be sleepwalking into a second civil war. Even though justice and fairness prevailed this time, the stained confirmation process must serve as a wake-up alarm.

    This time around, however, it won’t be a battle between two opposing armies from two distinct geographic regions.

    Instead, it will be a conflict between two very different ideologies. So far, it has mostly been a “cold war”, but as both sides become increasingly radicalized I fear for what the future may soon bring…
    https://www.infowars.com/americans-a...ard-civil-war/

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    Oh, this volatile ideological bomb is definitely ticking away to eventually explode in violent insurrection throughout the States, and even territories. But I've got news for everyone. The left is not going to win. And the survivors will be interned in reeducation camps.
    Aside from an ever increasing number of mortals who have willfully chosen to worship Satan and his minions, our battle has always been against the powers and principalities operating surreptitiously throughout this twisted world.

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    Still not wholly convinced. There is still a huge difference between what is said online and what is done in the real world. This difference is so great that if I were to ignore social media and the news, day to day life is without any signs that there is any sort of disagreement, especially to the degree that the media and big social media makes it out to be. In other words, this is still a case of keyboard warriors, and people being afraid to act out or too polite in normal life to do anything.

    Also, never trust anyone who says there are only two sides to this or any other issue. There certainly are not just two sides. I would gather that the indifferent portion of people is either equal to, or greater than the combined "two sides" that the media likes to talk about. And, most people are still blind to the fact that those who are on "sides" in the government are not on either of those two sides, but a third side. This third side is the "say one thing, do another" and "both parties are basically the same" argument.

    However, in the real world I have been watching the large events unfold. And what I see is a decent amount of people who are angry at the government, but instead of taking that anger out on the government or its entities, they take it out on regular people and businesses. This is not a tactic to create the world these people talk about in their platform. This is a tactic to increase the power of The State. The State will react to protect its citizens from danger and there is a good possibility that they will clamp down hard when they do this.

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    Considering recent events inside America (we supposedly just had a Hispanic baby boomer send a dozen or so bombs to Democratic leaders) it seems apt to ask - what are your personal predictions for if the USA has a Civil War? I'm not predicting that a CW will happen but, if it does, here's my expectations:

    1. If a Civil War does occur it will be preceded by a period of unrest & violence. Bleeding Kansas (a 'mini-civil war' inside the state of Kansas) took place a few years before America's first Civil War did. The same might happen again. A highly polarized state will become increasingly unmanageable and this will be the sign that America is dying. America will not die swiftly, it will be like a slow & painful nuclear meltdown.

    2. After the real fight begins the entire economy will undergo a severe meltdown. America relies on internal trade to function and if anything disrupts this then things will get very ugly very quickly. The logistical aspects of a civil war (what happens to the rail lines? how is food transported from the Midwest to New York?) need to be kept in mind.

    3. Wealthy elites - including a disproportionate number of Jews & Asians - will flee the country and take their wealth with them. They'll convert their dollars to whatever other currency seems stable (including hard assets like real estate & precious metals) and then leave.

    4. If America collapses the aftershocks will destroy China's economy. In spite of the talk of a trade war, China is utterly dependent on the US market for its exports. Without this trade the Chinese would be put in an extremely difficult position and we might see the Communist Party itself implode.

    5. I wouldn't want to be in Kiev on the day that Russia realizes America can't stop it from installing a puppet leader...

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Yaxley View Post
    Considering recent events inside America (we supposedly just had a Hispanic baby boomer send a dozen or so bombs to Democratic leaders) it seems apt to ask - what are your personal predictions for if the USA has a Civil War?
    It will eventually be just like The Road Warrior (Mad Max II,) without the humor.
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    I think we'd be looking at a continent wide Yugoslavia honestly. Or a United states replay of the Spanish civil war.

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