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    Ragnarok and the Coming Fimbul-Winter

    The myth of the Ragnarok is perhaps the best known of all the Teutonic myths. People who know nothing of Odinism often know of the cataclysmic destruction of the gods.

    Even amongst Odinists the subject of Ragnarok can lead to a cloud of melancholy. Like all myths it can be applied to our personal experiences but I want now to deal with its epic aspect and why rather than allow a feeling of gloom to descend on us we ought to see it as an affirmation of our being and our direct contact with our gods. The 'destruction of the gods' aspect has usually been greatly overplayed. This is not surprising when we consider that those whose writings of it we have were either Christian or at the very least Christian influenced. Contrary to the belief of some there is much evidence to show that Snorri Sturluson far from being a pagan was a Christian who was skilled in the art of disinformation, and the reverence he is sometimes shown is of questionable justification.

    The Ragnarok myth shows how gods and men make a final stand against the overwhelming forces of destruction. This in itself can exude a kind of 'doomed romance' aura. There is a great attraction in the idea of going out in a blaze of glory for it can indeed be seen as a noble act. When we look around today at the evil forces besieging us this feeling of doom can lead to a sense of futility - the weak give up without a fight while even many of the strong overreact and waste themselves in foolhardy and foredoomed schemes.

    The emphasis on the twilight of the gods aspect has left an impression that our gods will be lost to us. Non-Odinists seldom realise that gods and man alike return to a purer realm. Even Odinists sometimes don't pay that triumph the attention it demands. Not only do gods and men return but their apparent demise in one manifestation affirms their direct relationship to us. Odinists believe in the reality of this life. It is a celebration of life and the gods are manifest in that life, not separate from it.

    Christianity could never have a Ragnarok because the Christian god is not part of life. In Christian eyes this world, this life, is worthless and inherently corrupt. In the Odinist's it is the affirmation of the gods and not some sort of mistake. Cur gods are real and alive because they are manifest in the substance of this life and thus subject to the same events. The Ragnarok shows clearly the cycle of birth, death, rebirth which is behind all creation. If the gods were not part of this they would be beyond our reach; the fact that they are is a triumph of being.

    We cannot control the cycle or laws of nature for we are part of it but we can choose whether we are to live a noble life or a worthless one. We can choose in our daily lives whether to stand, proud to defend family and our holy religion, fully knowing our limitations and our inevitable passing from this world, but we don't wait idly for that passing. And we know that rebirth awaits. The Ragnarok clearly shows that continuance: from the ashes a new and purer order arises, just as green shoots push up through the ashes of a forest fire.

    The myth of Ragnarok clearly shows our link with the gods and with the cycle of creation. Far from being pessimistic it is an occasion of victory.

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    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    Ragnarok

    is Ragnarok a myth orginally telling the supernatural goings on in the seasonal cycles or is it a myth predicting how our world will taken apart by extreme weather and civil unrest and then be reconstructed into a new future world

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    Re: Ragnarok

    I believe that it was originally the former and therefore essentially cyclic, without beginning or end.

    I would assume that the apocalyptic prophesying of Christianity influenced certain tellings of it, making it into the 'beginning middle and final end' myth, typical of Christian/Semitic spirituality but alien to Germanic Heathenism.
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    Re: Ragnarok

    According to the Eddas, two things happen. First, Loki is released from his long captivity by the Gods. He will release the souls from Niflhel into Midgard once again. Second, Baldur will leave Hel and rule Midgard forever. This is assuming once he returns the dead into the Niflhel and deals with Loki accordingly.

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    Re: Ragnarok

    Are we in an Age before Ragnarok - or is the great Fimbul-Winter yet to come ?
    If we say that it is cyclic then there will be a new begining for all the Gods ; this is not suggested in Voluspa - which text I greatly value!
    If the Great War is yet to come, then there certainly seem to be plenty of takers for the role of Loki! And what then is Odinn telling us?

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    Will be Ragnarok?

    Maybe that all those prophecies are false, especially to decieve the gds and Us? Will the gods survive? If is there the lie of Loki and Jotuns to make Gods and men live with fear?
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    Personally, I see a circle of Life-Death-Rebirth (which is one thing the R. myth symbolizes to me) in everything: The lives of people, the seasons of the year, moving on when everything is in shatters - these all could be little Ragnaröks. And there is "larger R."s of course. These will, IMO, too, happen more than once, so it may be the case that Ragnarök has already ocurred but may well come again.

    Commonly you have two ideas of where to place the age of Wolf and Serpent: The fall of Heathenism in the North a bit more than 1,000 years back is a favorite, likewise is the near future. I actually tend to somewhat agree with both theories: both in the past and in the present you see similar patterns:

    The Eddas tells us that there will be three times fratricide, then a Fimbulwinter - a winter lasting three successive winters without summers in between - will ensue, and finally there wille be Ragnarök:

    -In the past you had the betrayal of Icelanders, Saxons, Norwegians to the Christian faith by their own kind.

    -Today you have a situation where brother folks have already fought two devastating wars (WWI, WWII); and where you now have people literally becoming traitors to their own folk and neighbuors for the sake of selling them to an agenda of the "global village". This could be seen as a sort of fratricide once more.

    It is evident that the three times fratricide is something that is still quite common in the heads of the folk: After all it is known that "Trouble has three children".

    So what will be the Fimbulwinter then? It could, once more be seen metaphorical, where there is coldness and non-understanding between people, caused by a higher power, maybe not too dissimilar from what we have seen in Orwell's "1984"... or it could actually be seen as real: Did Nostradamus (who has been hauntingly correct on some accounts!) not predict that somewhen in the middle of the 21st century there would be a minor Ice Age - could that be our Fimbulwinter?

    And Ragnarök itself can once more be seen metaphorically as it was concerning the circle of Life-Death-Rebirth, so that culture will reform itself entirely different, like it has before in the past, that all that was before will be converted into a different age, a new Golden Age if you will... or it could be seen as physical destruction of all civilization the way that Albert Einstein once said: "I do not know with which weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones."

    It is evident, to me, that we are close to another Ragnarök.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    I see a similarity with the Ragnarok and the Kali Yuga and I believe that they both have a common root.

    The Kali Yuga means the 'Age of Kali', I think there is an element of confusion regarding Kali as I do not think it is the Kali that is the female goddess, but a demon king.

    This demon lord (to me, this symbolises the embodiment of corruption and vice) will hold sway over Earthly affairs causing strife and unrest and eventually leading the world into an apocalyptic war, yet on the side of good, there is the champion warrior god, Kalki, the 10th Avatar or incarnation of Vishnu.

    I feel that this modern society is so sick and decadant that it NEEDS a Ragnarok. Our society has lost most of its culture and is instead whoring a bastardised mockery of it as one.

    "The man who has no sense of history, is like a man who has no ears or eyes"

    "Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live."

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    Oh it's coming, that's for sure, in one form or another. "Modern" life as we know it is going to see some major changes at the very least. And, as NatRev said, it's time for a purge. It may not be fun or pretty but it is nessisary and inevitable. The cycle turns...

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    Ragnarok

    And people ridiculed Ronald Reagan when he said that he believed that Armageddon was coming !

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