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    Why the human race is growing apart

    The human race will one day split into two seperate species, an attractive, intelligent ruling elite and an underclass of dimwitted, ugly goblin-like creatures, according to a top scientist.

    100,000 years into the future, sexual selection could mean that two distinct breeds of human will have developed.

    The alarming prediction comes from evolutionary theorist Oliver Curry from the London School of Economics, who says that the human race will have reached its physical peak by the year 3,000.

    These humans will be between 6ft & 7ft tall and the will live up to 120 years.

    "Physical features will be driven by indicators of health, youth and fertility that men and women have evolved to look for in potential mates," says the report, which suggests that asvances in cosmetic surgery and other body modifying techniques will effectively homogenize our appearance.

    Men will have symmetrical facial features, deeper voices and bigger penises, according to Curry in a report commissioned for men's satellite TV channel Bravo.

    "Women will all have glossy hair, smooth hairless skin, large eyes and pert breasts, according to Curry.

    Racial differences will be a thing of the past as interbreeding produces a single coffee-coloured skin tone.

    The futre for our descendants isn't all long life, perfect bodies and chiselled features, however.

    While humans will have reached their peak in 1,000 years time, 10,000 years later our reliance on technology will have begun to dramatically changed our appearance.

    Medicine will have weaken our immune system and we will begin to appear more childlike.

    Dr. Curry said: "The report suggests that the future of man will be a story of the good, the bad and the ugly.

    "While science and technology have the potential to create an ideal habitat for humanity over the next milliennium, there is the potential of a monumental genetic hangover the next millennia due to an over-reliance on technology reducing our natural capacity to resist disease, or our evolved ability to get along with each other.

    "After that, things could get ugly, with the possible emergence of genetic 'haves' and 'have-nots'."

    Dr. Curry's theory may strike a cord with readers who have read HG Wells classic novel the Time Machine, in particular his descriptions of the Eloi and the Morlock races.

    In the 1895 book, the human race has evolved into two distinct species, the highly intelligent and wealthy Eloi and the frightening, animalistic Morlock who are destined to work underground to keep the Eloi happy.

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    I find that argument really hard to believe. The model is based on the assumption that all individuals' sexual relations are limited to those they would admit publicly.

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    The skin colour is also wrong because skin colour changes/adapts as a result of the amount of insolation, rather than breeding (though this does effect skincolour if the two people breeding have drastically different skin colours; however, like is attracted to like, in my opinion.)
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    I posted this in a different forum, but basically I see a few things occurring:

    1. I do believe he's right. You're going to get a top group and a bottom group. In fact, that's happening right now, if you look at obesity and genetic issues in lower class groups. That's also where you get the highest degree of racial mixing.

    2. The 'reliance on technology' issue will be present, sure, for the lower classes. I don't mean to make this racial, but if you look in all of the 'mixed' nations in the European-influenced world, the top group has stayed pretty much 100% European. Also, in this group, there's a solid degree of protectionism, so therefore if some thing's going to damage everyone, people will stand up and stop it, for their people.

    It's sort of like how I tell my family NOT to get flu shots. I think it's better for us all to fight in and have a stronger immune system, therefore also making the flu's mutate at a slower rate, making us able to adapt better.

    But, the rest of the people will get reliant on their technology and basically fall into some sort of ridiculous spectacle similar to that movie 'Idiocracy' that came out a few years ago. Basically the premise for that is that the least intelligent breed the most, and the most intelligent breed the least in a society protected by technology, leading to a gradual devolution which is very noticeable over the course of centuries.

    That, I believe will happen to the lower group.

    3. Meanwhile, the upper group (us) will reap all of the positive sides of genetic engineering and be the only people able to modify it to the limit.

    The article is very short-sighted in overlooking how, very soon (i'm talking <100 years) we'll be able to manipulate the genome so substantially that all variable we take for granted (like maximum age) will be able to be modified, therefore throwing the argument of the article completely out the window.

    P.S. I must note that the 'time machine' story's premise which has nothing to do with the article but a reference to it is still quite valid. In the case of a nuclear / biological catastrophe, if you had a group of people who chose to 'fight it out' on the surface, provided there was a large enough group, there would be those who survived, fine, and looked and lived completely fine. Much like cockroaches can survived far worse conditions than the average human, there are variances within our population which can do it, also, which are simply not put to the test. Those people would survive fine, and grow forward like any other human population would. A group locking themselves underground would not benefit from such natural selection, and combined with inbreeding and the affects of a lack of light, would likely get worse, over the course of time.

    But, that really has nothing to do with the article, as you can see.

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    Lets see if we all exist in 1,000 years from now, first.

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    The guy sounds like a child with a dream of today's miscegenation creating a master race.

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    "Women will all have glossy hair, smooth hairless skin, large eyes and pert breasts, according to Curry.
    I think he just watched to much Anime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dietsehamer View Post
    I think he just watched to much Anime.
    I laughed so hard at that.

    And I find it hard to believe any "top scientist" believes this. If we haven't become separate species in the past based on social standing, why would we now when the lines are so blurred? Ridiculous, theres dozens of ways to refute this. It makes me wonder who people consider "scientists" these days, the name apparently carries more weight than it should.

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    Why the human race is growing apart

    December 11, 2007

    Mark Henderson, Science Editor

    Races have evolved away from each other over the past 10,000 years, according to new research that challenges standard ideas about the biological significance of ethnicity.

    A genetic analysis of human evolution has shown that rather than slowing to a standstill it has speeded up, with different pressures on different populations pushing racial groups further apart. Scientists behind the findings suggest that European, African and Asian populations grew genetically more distinct from each other over several thousand years, as their environments took them down different evolutionary paths.

    This would call into question the popular scientific view that race has little or no biological meaning, as the genetic similarities between ethnic groups greatly outweigh differences.

    While this remains true – all humans share more than 99 per cent of their DNA – the new work indicates that variations tend to differ between races, and that these became more, not less, pronounced.

    “Human races are evolving away from each other,” said Henry Harpending, Professor of Anthropology at the University of Utah, who led the study.

    “Genes are evolving fast in Europe, Asia and Africa, but almost all of these are unique to their continent of origin. We are getting less alike, not merging into a single, mixed humanity.

    “Our study denies the widely held assumption that modern humans appeared 40,000 years ago, have not changed since and that we are all pretty much the same. We aren’t the same as people even 1,000 or 2,000 years ago.”

    The research is published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. If the trend towards increasing genetic diversity were to continue, it could lead ultimately to the development of different species. Most scientists, however, think this is now highly unlikely.

    The research identified evolutionary currents only in past times. In the modern era, greater movement and gene flow between the continents has probably slowed or even reversed patterns of increasing genetic difference, making the evolution of separate human species virtually impossible.

    Armand Leroi, Reader in Evolutionary Biology at Imperial College, London, said: “In principle, this could have led to speciation if it had continued. In practice, it has got to be the case that that cannot happen now. The reason is that this study has looked at largely separated populations in the past, but everything about human history since the Industrial Revolution weighs overwhelmingly against separation and thus against speciation too. Huge increases in gene flow are going to wipe this trend out.”

    The study shows that over the past 5,000 years, new genetic variants have been emerging at a rate 100 times faster than in any other period of human evolution.

    If this rate were to have remained the same since humans and chimpanzees diverged around six million years ago, the genetic difference between the two species would be 160 times greater than it is.

    The scientists said this reflected the great increase in human populations over that period, which has allowed more beneficial mutations to emerge. Changes in the human environment, particularly the rise of agriculture, also created new selective pressure to which humans adapted.

    Tribes and traits

    — The research compared genetic information from four modern ethnic groups – Japanese, Han Chinese, Yoruba Nigerians and Utah Mormons of northern European ancestry

    — Examples of traits that differ among the groups include the lactase gene, which allows people to digest milk into adulthood

    — Most Europeans have this gene but it is absent in most Africans and Asians. This may reflect the ancestral importance of dairy farming in Europe

    — Disease-resistance genes also differ. About 10 per cent of Europeans have CCR5, which confers some resistance to HIV, and which may have evolved to give resistance to smallpox

    — Previous research by Professor Harpending has suggested that the above-average intelligence found among Ashkenazi Jews could be the result of selection in medieval Europe, where they tended to work in trade and finance. This, however, has been criticised by scientists.

    Source: University of Utah, University of Wisconsin-Madison
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    Interesting to say the least! I wonder though how it is that we have been evolving even over the past 1,000 years. Is it merely by having some populations die off and then the surviving groups genes exert more dominance? I have always wondered if we were still evolving, but I thought that it was impossible and probably stopped 4,000 years ago or so.

    What do ya say we Germanics gather up enough of us and block everyone else out and see how long it takes us to evolve into a new species?

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