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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    Pool Closer, are your aware of the book Us vs. Them?

    http://themandus.org/

    The hypothesis is similar to what you are saying. This is a popular, somewhat sensational book which was written before Neanderthal DNA was discovered in our genome. The author has some great artwork. The author is not an anthropologist, however, and makes or says some silly things in there. Overall, it stated a conversation, though.
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    Kardoorair Press, Australia presents ‘Them and Us: How Neanderthal predation created modern humans’ by Danny Vendramini. We consider this to be the most important book on human origins since Darwin’s ‘Descent of Man’ .

    Put aside everything you thought you knew about being human – about how we got here and what it all means. Years of rigorous scientific research has led Danny Vendramini to a new theory of human origins that is stunning in its simplicity, yet breathtaking in its scope and importance.

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    Pretty creepy theory he has there...

    Them and Us


    I don't know how accurate many of the particulars are, such as the slit eyes and such, but it gives another reason why Neanderthals died out. We just couldn't afford to allow them to be in our environment. Our bloody-mindedness in making war might indeed come from having had to condition ourselves to put aside mercy for the sake of our own survival. This also reminded me of The Time Machine (1960) which was based upon the H.G. Wells novel of the same name...

    Morlocks were based upon a racial memory?


    We might be in the same situation today, being under assault from primitive and overly aggressive super-predators...



    Perhaps we are being faced with a similar struggle... Them or Us.
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    One thing this write says is Neanderthals blocked the entry of anatomically modern humans into Europe. This may be true. It was only after Neanderthals and sapiens interbred that the resulting hybrids entered Europe.

    The cat eyes are all wrong. The bodies are way too heavy in the reconstructions and the noses on those Neanderthal reconstructions are all wrong and ape-like.

    But it is interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pool Closer View Post
    This isn't a complex issue, though. Descent is very simple matter. We have almost no Neanderthal X DNA. We do have a good deal of Neanderthal autsomal DNA. Since X DNA cannot account for the inherited autosomal DNA, male-mediated Neanderthal and Denisovan introgression is the only explanation.
    The point I'm making, (and correct me if I'm wrong) is that a Neanderthal male mating with a modern human female is just as likely to confer a Neanderthal X chromosome to any resulting offspring as he is to donate a Y. If the resultant hybrid is a female she will be the possessor of a Neanderthal X chromosome. She will then confer her Neanderthal X chromosome upon on average 50% of any off Spring she might have, whether they be male or female. There is no way to tell whether a given X chromesome entered a lineage through a male or a female individual.


    Therefor interbreeding between exclusively male Neanderthals and human females should not nesessarily lead to an absence of Neanderthal X chromesome genetic material in modern humans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horned God View Post
    The point I'm making, (and correct me if I'm wrong) is that a Neanderthal male mating with a modern human female is just as likely to confer a Neanderthal X chromosome to any resulting offspring as he is to donate a Y. If the resultant hybrid is a female she will be the possessor of a Neanderthal X chromosome. She will then confer her Neanderthal X chromosome upon on average 50% of any off Spring she might have, whether they be male or female. There is no way to tell whether a given X chromesome entered a lineage through a male or a female individual.


    Therefor interbreeding between exclusively male Neanderthals and human females should not nesessarily lead to an absence of Neanderthal X chromesome genetic material in modern humans.

    Is there something I've overlooked?
    People are saying now that Neanderthal or Denisovan matings with sapiens resulted in fertile offspring only if those offspring were females. Males were infertile and so did not pass Y chromosomes down the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    One thing this write says is Neanderthals blocked the entry of anatomically modern humans into Europe. This may be true. It was only after Neanderthals and sapiens interbred that the resulting hybrids entered Europe.

    The cat eyes are all wrong. The bodies are way too heavy in the reconstructions and the noses on those Neanderthal reconstructions are all wrong and ape-like.

    But it is interesting.

    Neanderthal nasal and maxillary bones were apelike. In the flesh they could not have assumed a prominent form. They were not flat like a glrillas but they were not as prominent as modern West Eurasians, either. The nose also did not assume a modern morphology.

    Of all the Neanderthal skulls known to us there are only two in which the roof
    of the nose — including the nasal bones — is intact, namely, the Gibraltar skull and
    Krapina C. In both of these the bridge or dorsum of the nose has the same peculiar
    form — gently concave from glabella to the upper margin of the nasal aperture and
    roundly convex from side to side — a miniature riding saddle with pommel above and
    croup below. At the nasion the nose fades into the forehead; at its sides it fades into the
    maxillary region of the face — as in anthropoid apes.
    Among other characters of the (Le Moustier) skull, it must suffice to mention the large size and wide separation of the orbits, and the broad and deeply sunk root of the nasals, the latter feature indicating a wide and flattened nose, with the nostrils directed mainly forwards.
    Neanderthal nasal bones vs modern nassl morphology







    People are saying now that Neanderthal or Denisovan matings with sapiens resulted in fertile offspring only if those offspring were females. Males were infertile and so did not pass Y chromosomes down the line.
    Less than 1% X chromosomal admixture cannot account for 9% autosomal admixture in a modern human like Oase 1, much less 2% autosomal admixture in a person living in the 21st century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pool Closer View Post
    Neanderthal nasal and maxillary bones were apelike. In the flesh they could not have assumed a prominent form. They were not flat like a glrillas but they were not as prominent as modern West Eurasians, either. The nose also did not assume a modern morphology.





    Neanderthal nasal bones vs modern nassl morphology









    Less than 1% X chromosomal admixture cannot account for 9% autosomal admixture in a modern human like Oase 1, much less 2% autosomal admixture in a person living in the 21st century.
    Neanderthal noses were not ape-like. In fact, the most prominent feature of the Neanderthals was the mid-face and its position on the skull. The entire mid face, including the nose, was set forward on the skull. In fact, it was set so far forward that the lower jaw needed to be elongated which caused a space behind the third molar, the retromolar space. The retromolar space is a diagnostic indicator of being Neanderthal.

    Since you like multivariant analysis. The single cranial measurement which best correlates with the Neanderthal's increase cranial capacity is nasal breadth. The second best correlation is nasal length. This means Neanderthals had big noses. If you broke off the nasal bones as in your Neanderthal pictures, what you would see is a very large, almost round hole. But if you were to post a picture of a Neanderthal with nasal bones intact, the angle at which the nasal bones leave the forehead would be the most stunning thing noticed. But if you look closer there is a build up around the nose of the maxilla forming a curb or raised area around the nose which is sometimes seen in Europeans but never Africans or apes. The nasal sinus' of Neanderthals were huge and extended higher into the area behind the brow ridges. This larger sinus area is where nitric oxide is produced and breathed into the lungs. With Neanderthals there was so much surface area to produce nitric oxide that it is thought the entire chemical balance of those Neanderthals was much different than our own and one of the chief factors causing scientists to say they were a separate species. Finally, within the Neanderthal nose there is a medial projection. This is a structure which causes a narrowing of the air flow as they breathed. People regardless of race living in northern parts of the world have narrow noses. So why were Neanderthals so different? Because this narrowing, internally, functioned exactly like a long narrow nose externally, probably as a heat exchanger and moisturizer. And again, it is this medial projection which is a diagnostic indicator of the Neanderthals.

    So not only did Neanderthals not have ape-like noses, their noses deviated more than any other type of Homo from the apes.

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    I don't understand your comment about Y chromosomes or X chromosomes and 9% autosomal Neanderthal admixture. Will you please elaborate on this?

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