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    'Enigma Man' May Be New Human Species That Lived Until 11,000 Years Ago


    With Enigma Man we follow the groundbreaking research of Aussie paleoanthropologist Darren Curnoe and his Chinese colleague, paleontologist Ji Xueping.

    Their study of ancient human remains found in a remote cave in South-west China looks at the idea there may have been another species of human existing alongside our ancestors as recently as 11,000 – 14,000 years ago.

    Dubbed the '‘Red Deer Cave people’', these ancient people, or, more precisely, their remains – so similar, yet so physically different from us – are much, much younger than our Neanderthal relatives, posing some seriously interesting questions. Were they really another human species? And if so, what happened to them? Why did they die out? How did they live? And what were their interactions with our own early relatives?

    These are indeed big questions, Curnoe says, and that's what makes the search for answers so fascinating.

    “The documentary is about the process of deciding: do we have a new species or not?” Curnoe, who is Associate Professor of evolutionary biology in the School of Biological, Earth and Environmental Sciences at UNSW, explains.

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    “The fossils just don’t fit with the dominant view in science at the moment about who was around 11,000 years ago or 14,000 years ago, how they relate to us, and how we think of ourselves as humans in relation to nature.

    “We tend to think of ourselves as special. So it raises some pretty deep and challenging questions.

    “There are views, which I subscribe to, and quite a lot of other people do too, that there are at least 30 different species that are in the fossil record that would be relatives of ours in some sense – some may be ancestors, some may be side-branches that went extinct.

    “The classic example is the Neanderthals – everyone has heard of them, even if you don’t know much about them. What we are proposing is that instead of the Neanderthals being the last of the other human-like creatures [before it was] just us, we are in fact saying, well, no, this other group survived until much more recently.”


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    The Red Deer Cave people were pretty much the modern human species. However they did have some archaic leaning features as well. The same can be said for certain inbred populations of humans and also of elephants. But if this is admixture Denisovans were down in the tropics or how could modern humans have acquired resistance to tropical diseases from them?

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    STREAM ~ Enigma Man: A Stone Age Mystery

    Here is a link to a stream for the documentary.

    http://vodlocker.com/hr1pcw2olvsz


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    I think the Flores "hobbits" awakened people to the possibility of other human species surviving late elsewhere. Really Red Deer Cave people seem to be less unusual than the media says. Oddly Iwo Eluru (Nigeria) goes unmentioned maybe because they don't want racism accusations.

    Flores is isolated from Asia by the sea. The Central African tropical forests are a region distinct from the rest of Africa. The Red Deer Caves were not isolated from the evolutionary mainline. How would Middle Pleistocene or earlier people survive competition with modern hunter gatherers? Neanderthals and Denisovans "disappeared" via reticulation faced with the competition. And dates for early AMH in Asia are being pushed back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvbeleg View Post
    Here is a link to a stream for the documentary.

    http://vodlocker.com/hr1pcw2olvsz
    I just checked that site and it seems sketchy. They look for your credit-card number in order to let you watch the content. I think I'll look for the documentary elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horned God View Post
    I just checked that site and it seems sketchy. They look for your credit-card number in order to let you watch the content. I think I'll look for the documentary elsewhere.
    Vodlocker is a free file storage service. I have been accessing streaming files from this service for years. I have never had security issues. (And I have never been prompted for my credit card information.)

    To access the stream.

    1. Make sure you have a pop-up blocker (e.g., Ad block plus) to prevent pop-ups.

    2. Click on the link.
    http://vodlocker.com/hr1pcw2olvsz

    3. Click on the `Proceed to Video' button.


    4. Click on the Play button at the center of the image.


    5. Allow the video to buffer for a minute or two. (The Play button will turn into a swirling buffering wheel as the video buffers.)


    6. Once the video begins playing, you may put the video in Full Screen Mode by clicking on the Full Screen Button.


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    The Red Deer people have some exaggerated facial features which are seen in modern East Asians. These are strange people but may well have living descendants.

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    The Maludong femur resembled Lower Pleistocene femora despite its date of 14,000 years ago. I'm not sure thats a phylogenetic signal mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catterick View Post
    The Maludong femur resembled Lower Pleistocene femora despite its date of 14,000 years ago. I'm not sure thats a phylogenetic signal mind.
    It means these guy were very different people with deep, separate roots into the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    It means these guy were very different people with deep, separate roots into the past.
    Didn't a neanderthal femur from Tabun have similarities to the hobbits and Homo habilis? How do you explain this? Skeletons are plastic through bone remodelling under stress. The femur is used in locomotion. Anthropoids are plastic in their locomotion adaptations. I'm not convinced by this - but I don't rule it out.

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