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    Tolerance to Smoke May Have Doomed Neanderthals?

    Another in an unending series of theories as to why sapiens out-reproduced Neanderthals (instead of looking at differential fertility itself).


    https://www.newscientist.com/article...-neanderthals/

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    Is it possible neanderthals were tied to shelters with natural ceilings? The beehive hut can be reconstructed probably for the earliest modern humans. Fires are lit outside such huts because they are made from flammable materials. Beehive huts are complex to construct and they don't preserve in the archaeological record because they are organic. Did neanderthals lack the technology?




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    No, they did things like this. Neanderthals actually lived outside like American Plains Indians sometimes, probably in summer-fall for migrations of animals. They liked rock shelters but if you look at these rock shelters it is obvious they offer protection mainly from wind, rain and snow. They would not be much good at controlling temperature. Deep in the cave the temperature would be ambient for that region but Neanderthals did not live that deep in the cave.

    What they did in rock shelters was use wood and skins to cover the front and section off areas for families or whatever. The wickerwork structures you picture may have actually happened. Many of the stone tools Neanderthals used are thought to have been used to work wood.

    The river valley rock shelters would have been the high rent units of their time. No doubt they were heated with wood rather than dung as they were out on the plains. But by any means life indoors would have been in cramped quarters with soot in the air.

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    I don't doubt neanderthals might've had such structures but why would neanderthals be more adapted to inhaling smoke?

    When I say that AMH probably had these primitive huts, I'm inferring from their presence on all the inhabited continents. Especially among hunter gatherers in Africa and elsewhere. Complicated knowledge about building the huts is obviously learned and not innate. The question is can they be reconstructed as early as the split with neanderthals. And even Homo antecessor now seems to be on the neanderthal side of the split.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catterick View Post
    I don't doubt neanderthals might've had such structures but why would neanderthals be more adapted to inhaling smoke?

    When I say that AMH probably had these primitive huts, I'm inferring from their presence on all the inhabited continents. Especially among hunter gatherers in Africa and elsewhere. Complicated knowledge about building the huts is obviously learned and not innate. The question is can they be reconstructed as early as the split with neanderthals. And even Homo antecessor now seems to be on the neanderthal side of the split.
    AMH probably needed such as gene since Africans then probably do what Africans now do, smoke dope. They may have not done it like people do it now but they probably just put it in a hut as you describe, sealed it up like a sweat lodge, and fired it up.

    Neanderthals technologically, were the world's leaders from 250,000 to 40,000 if not long before that so we should expect them to be able to build wooden/skin structures.

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