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    Wink Top 10 Reasons There Will Never Be A Black Ethnostate

    By H. Wallace

    I’ve been asked to share my thoughts on the notion put forward by the New Black Panther Party that there will be a mass migration of blacks to the Deep South where they will form their own independent black homeland.

    Here is why it will never happen:

    1.) Haiti and Liberia – In the early 19th century, the American Colonization Society created Liberia as a colony for the free black population. From the outset, there was strong black resistance to colonization, and the abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison credited the black abolitionist David Walker for turning him against the idea. Liberia failed as a solution to the Negro Question before and after the War Between the States because so few free blacks were willing to voluntarily settle there.

    After Haiti won its independence in 1804, several Haitian presidents were taken with the idea of offering land and citizenship to free blacks in the United States. After all, why would free blacks want to stay in the United States and live under racism and white supremacy when they could relocate to Haiti and put their skilled labor and capital to use in building the Black Republic, the beacon of freedom to black people around the world?

    A handful of free blacks from the United States did settle in Haiti. Most of them returned to the United States because living under white supremacy in 19th century America was preferable to living under what has made Haiti into Haiti.


    2.) Ghana – Ghana, a country in West Africa, was granted its independence by Britain in 1957. Millions of American blacks are descendants of slaves who were brought to North America from the Gold Coast. Independent Ghana has spent decades offering citizenship and various other incentives to American blacks to return to the Fatherland. As with Haiti, Ghana sees American blacks as a potential source of skilled labor and capital.

    Ghana, Haiti, Liberia and several other African nations are already offering American blacks the chance to migrate to ready-made ethnostates. Many of these African countries like the Democratic Republic of Congo have at various times adopted Afrocentrism as a state policy. In Mobutu’s Congo, for example, the Congolese were required to adopt “authentic” African names and wear “authentic” African dress for several decades.

    Whether it was Kwame Nkrumah’s Ghana or Mobutu Sese Seko’s Congo, these African nations haven’t attracted even a trickle of black immigrants from the United States. The outflow in the opposite direction has been vastly greater.


    3.) African Immigrants – Many of you have probably heard the soundbyte that African immigrants are among the most highly educated immigrant populations in the US and Europe. There is a kernal of truth to this.

    There is a reason that African immigrants are so unusually highly educated: African students who come to Europe and the US on student visas don’t want to go home after graduation. That is why they stay in college and pursue multiple degrees into their 30s and 40s. They would rather live under “white privilege” and rail against non-existent slavery and colonialism than return home to their now decolonized homelands.

    More African immigrants have immigrated to the US since 1965 than were brought here involuntarily during the slave trade. Most of sub-Saharan Africa would already be here if immigrating to the US was as easy as crossing the Mexican border. The only reason Haiti hasn’t immigrated here en masse is because the US Coast Guard under George H.W. Bush adopted a policy that prevents them from doing so. Europe is fortunate to have the Sahara Desert as a geographic barrier to African illegal immigration.


    4.) The Mississippi Delta and Alabama Black Belt – Anyone who believes that blacks are capable of moving en masse to the Deep South and carving out an ethnostate in this region should first take a tour of the Mississippi Delta and the Alabama Black Belt. Specifically, you should start your voyage in Memphis and drive down US 61 South through the Mississippi Delta to Natchez. Just take in the view.

    There are now more blacks in Chicago than Mississippi. We live in a country of great roads, great welfare, and cheap transportation by bus. Blacks will take advantage of those roads to emigrate from any area in which the demographics tilt too far away from the White majority. Like the Mississippi Delta, the Alabama Black Belt is similarly a vast, overwhelmingly rural, depopulated wasteland of ghost towns and pine trees.

    The Black Panthers were started in Lowndes County, AL in the 1960s. The black population has controlled “Bloody Lowndes” since the 1970s. The Selma-to-Montgomery March took place largely in Lowndes County. Drive from Selma to Montgomery today along the Selma to Montgomery National Historic Trail and you will see nothing but cow pastures, litter, and abandoned buildings.


    5.) Black Farmers – So black nationalists are going to move to the rural South, become farmers, and create the Republic of New Afrika in this area? The only “black farmers” around here are running a scam on the USDA. This is nothing more than romantic nonsense. White farmers own virtually all the land in this area. Nationwide, around 1 percent of farmers and ranchers are black.


    6.) The Mythical Great Migration – Contrary to the media hype, blacks are not moving back en masse to the Deep South. Around 54 percent of the black population in the United States lives in the South. The regional distribution of the black population has barely changed. The real movement of the black population is still from the countryside to urban areas. Blacks overwhelmingly live in our cities.

    It is true that some blacks have moved from the North to the South in recent decades. This isn’t a racial phenomena though. Black retired public employees have moved to Florida, but this mirrors the larger migration of White Northern snowbirds to Florida. Lots of blacks have moved to the Atlanta area in particular, but this mirrors the larger migration of job seeking Whites from the Rust Belt to the Sun Belt.


    7.) Detroit – Detroit reveals how once blacks have taken over a large urban area and thrown the racial balance out of whack that the city will start to shrink and the black population will start to abandon the area. This is what we see in Haiti, the Mississippi Delta, and the Alabama Black Belt. Once blacks are ensconced in power, they foul their own nest and drive out their own population.


    8.) In Search of Whitopias – Why are there so many blacks in far flung places like Oakland, Detroit, and Philadelphia? Because blacks abandoned the rural South in search of industrial jobs. Why are there so many blacks from the Caribbean in Canada and Britain? Because blacks left their own countries like Trinidad and Jamaica, not to move to Ethiopia as the Garveyites would have them do, but to live in White areas.


    9.) Integration – I don’t have the data at hand, but from what I have read in the social sciences literature, blacks overwhelmingly say they prefer to live in mixed areas. Their ideal community is majority White, but just barely. It is Whites who don’t want to live among blacks. Blacks want to live among Whites in order to enjoy all the perks of White civilization while minimizing the dysfunction in their own communities.


    10.) White Civilization – The ultimate reason why a black ethnostate will never happen is because blacks lack the capacity to create or sustain anything approaching the White standard of civilization. They want to live in and enjoy the benefits of White civilization. That’s why the flock to our cities which are the centers of our civilization. Yet they resent White people because they are incapable of matching our accomplishments and their failure to do so – specifically, the inequality that inevitably results from being black and living in a White Man’s Country – constantly reminds them of their status.

    Contrary to what militant black nationalists say, the black population doesn’t want separation. A push for a black ethnostate will never gain traction because blacks just don’t want it and have never wanted it. They don’t want to migrate to live in a rural, overwhelmingly black and impoverished area like the Mississippi Delta. There is no incentive for them to secede from a society that coddles them, which worships them, which hangs on their every word, and which sustains virtually all of their communities from Tuskegee, AL to Detroit, MI with redistributed welfare from White taxpayers.

    There are various blacks ethnostates in Africa and the Caribbean. They were mostly creations of Europeans who granted distant populations their independence. Force is required to stop a mass exodus of blacks from Africa and the Caribbean to the Occident. Similarly, force would be required to create a black ethnostate in the United States. Nothing short of rounding them all up, concentrating them in one geographic area, building a massive wall around it and maintaining eternal vigilance would ever keep them there.

    In such a scenario, forming “alliances” with militant black nationalists would be useless. They don’t have any real following in the black community which knows their ideas are preposterous, impractical, and contrary to their interests. These groups are mostly gathering points for embittered rejects like Micah X. who hate White people and wish to do us harm. We’re better off not being associated with them.

    Source: Occidental Dissent

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    I see all this is predicated on the desire of blacks to move. I don't care what they desire, personally. My policy would be move or be removed.

    Propaganda could help a lot. Tell them South Africa has all the infrastructure of a modern first world state with no "oppression" against blacks, because it is ruled by blacks. Send them all there and bring all White South Africans here. America would see an unprecedented renaissance.
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    So what would the author prefer? The current system? Apartheid? The reintroduction of slavery? Genocide? I assume he is writing from a 'white nationalist' perspective given his outlet. None of those options sound better to me. Yes, black racial nationalist states are failures compared to (predominantly) white states, we know black people are inherently less capable of building a modern state - OK if that's the point he wants to make, but then what's with the last paragraph, and why preach this anti-nationalist message to the crowd anyway? Just for another round of internet comments section back-slapping black bashing?

    Also, White ethnostates aren't going to be established or maintained in this world without a great degree of struggle, difficulty, force, even potential impoverishment, either; and any form of white ethnic awareness/separatism is also unpopular amongst the larger body of (western) whites at this point in time.

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    This would be wonderful if they all were required to go. Otherwise we will have an Israeli situation where they CAN go and we subsidize them there OR they stay in our midst and undermine our society.

    Blacks could have land best suited to them genetically, a couple swamp states. We could cut financial ties and whites would be very, very happy.

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    I had to laugh when I saw the NBP spouting off on Breibart. Blacks simply aren't capable of the sophisticated mass action required and they certainly aren't going to follow a guy like Hashim Nzinga.

    Let's take a stroll in fantasyland for a moment and assume that they were capable - the *last place* they should go is back to the South, putting more unnecessary pressure on the only functioning American identity of size in the entire country with historical connection to the Founding. If that identity is lost, that might as well be the end of America - dead, gone, finito forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahnenerbe View Post
    In such a scenario, forming “alliances” with militant black nationalists would be useless. They don’t have any real following in the black community which knows their ideas are preposterous, impractical, and contrary to their interests. These groups are mostly gathering points for embittered rejects like Micah X. who hate White people and wish to do us harm. We’re better off not being associated with them.
    Contrary to their interests. Benefits I guess. I wonder what the likes of Malcolm X would think of BLM? They don't want change they want more from white America. Killings by cops are the catalysts. Not the cause.

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    A black state would first be communist as spending someone else's money is the black ideal. Then it would degenerate into tin shacks and a narco-state like most of Africa.

    How would you lure blacks to this state? Cocaine, welfare and white women, the three prime motivators of black life. Promise this and they will come.

    The point is well taken, however, that blacks don't really want a separate state, they want to live with whites and have whites support them.

    Here is the thing most people do not get. During a Democratic administration blacks are promised things. These things are really never spelled out. If confronted buzz words like freedom, equality, justice spew out of their mouths but nobody believes this. The underlying promise the Democrats make is exactly what I have written: loose drug laws allowing them to use cocaine, the government dole for blacks only, and increased availability of white women.

    But once a Democratic administration is about to conclude, as with Obama, and the implied promises fail to materialize, blacks feel betrayed and angry. Ultimately this leads to street violence, first directed at the authorities, and then full blown burning and looting of the places they themselves live.

    The result of this lawlessness is a huge white backlash and a Republican is elected President. This happened in 1968, electing Richard Nixon and again in 1980, electing Ronald Reagan. Now what is going to happen with Trump?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    A black state would first be communist as spending someone else's money is the black ideal. Then it would degenerate into tin shacks and a narco-state like most of Africa.

    How would you lure blacks to this state? Cocaine, welfare and white women, the three prime motivators of black life. Promise this and they will come.

    The point is well taken, however, that blacks don't really want a separate state, they want to live with whites and have whites support them.

    Here is the thing most people do not get. During a Democratic administration blacks are promised things. These things are really never spelled out. If confronted buzz words like freedom, equality, justice spew out of their mouths but nobody believes this. The underlying promise the Democrats make is exactly what I have written: loose drug laws allowing them to use cocaine, the government dole for blacks only, and increased availability of white women.

    But once a Democratic administration is about to conclude, as with Obama, and the implied promises fail to materialize, blacks feel betrayed and angry. Ultimately this leads to street violence, first directed at the authorities, and then full blown burning and looting of the places they themselves live.

    The result of this lawlessness is a huge white backlash and a Republican is elected President. This happened in 1968, electing Richard Nixon and again in 1980, electing Ronald Reagan. Now what is going to happen with Trump?
    As much as I admire some of the things Trump says, it does seem like the vicious cycle continues. I support blacks to what degree they suffer injustice. Usually though that doesn't cause their resentment.

    Political messages from people like Malcolm X and Bro Farrakhan are rejected. BLM is content free, post-political. So is support for Trump (the Trumpkins). Never has Trump professed racism but disgruntled white Americans gravitate to him on the white-black issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catterick View Post
    As much as I admire some of the things Trump says, it does seem like the vicious cycle continues. I support blacks to what degree they suffer injustice. Usually though that doesn't cause their resentment.

    Political messages from people like Malcolm X and Bro Farrakhan are rejected. BLM is content free, post-political. So is support for Trump (the Trumpkins). Never has Trump professed racism but disgruntled white Americans gravitate to him on the white-black issue.
    You mean to say that it has as much ideology as any militia group running amok in Congo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catterick View Post
    As much as I admire some of the things Trump says, it does seem like the vicious cycle continues. I support blacks to what degree they suffer injustice. Usually though that doesn't cause their resentment.

    Political messages from people like Malcolm X and Bro Farrakhan are rejected. BLM is content free, post-political. So is support for Trump (the Trumpkins). Never has Trump professed racism but disgruntled white Americans gravitate to him on the white-black issue.
    Even if Trump is a racist--so what?

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