View Poll Results: Is Political Violence Ever Justified?

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Thread: Is Political Violence Ever Justified? / Is Violence a Legitimate Means of Changing Society?

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    Violence is the best way to achieve change. It is much more efficient than non-violence, and it is in human nature.

    History is filled with problems that have been solved through force.

    The Romans were a problems to our Germanic ancestors, and violence dealt with that problem just fine.

    A good bloodletting every few centuries is good for a country's soul.
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    Clausewitz- 'War is the continuation of politics with other means.'
    There is a lot of truth in it, that is basically why we have armed forces - to enact a policy of violence when desired (but not necessarily when required) to achieve something where wholly relying on diplomacy or bribery isn't working.

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    Violence may be justified as a means of political change, but only after every non-violent democratic means has been exhausted and then only if peoples human rights are being infringed by the government.

    I don't as a rule believe in violent armed struggle as a means of changing governments, largely because "the children of the revolution" are generally at least as brutal and usually far less competent than the regimes they replace.
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    As a whole I do not believe violence should be used until all other means have been exhausted politically. I love guns, and am pro military but they should be used in self defense or in the case of hunting/sport shooting. I even carry a .357 almost everywhere I go, plus a shotgun and another smaller .38 in the truck. So yes I do believe in violent defense, but not violence as a political tool.

    If and when violence has to be used it should be complete and mean the complete destruction of those that are trying to harm us.
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    Some disputes can only be settled through a show of force. As it is the only way I foresee any change beneficial to our preservation is through violence in the form of a revolution/civil war.

    Incidentally, the radical changes that came about in the 1960s were because of the threat of violence by the left. The establishment caved in to avoid violence. But we still had cities go up in flames like Newark and Los Angeles.

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    Are you kidding me, I wouldn't even have a country without political violence (revolution).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    Are you kidding me, I wouldn't even have a country without political violence (revolution).
    There is a big difference in political street violence and open armed revolt. I used to be in favor of open armed revolt in America to restore the original Constitution and have not totally ruled out the idea, but I am seeing things differently when you calculate the win/lose factor and loss of life due to such a war. Keep in mind though that things are starting to swing back in our direction, while it may not be as fast as we would all like, but still the future is looking better than it did 8 years ago.

    The America Revolution was a war where all else had failed and the Americans had to resort to open war. They had no choice in the matter at that time. As the political activism progressed the amount of troops increased causing open armed revolt.

    Political violence in Europe also led to the increase of Germans in America in 1848. Many of the Midwestern states still have huge populations of people of German decent because of that time in Germany.

    Never should we engage in street fights with the leftist, that is exactly what they want. They want to provoke and place blame on their opposition. When it comes to that we are then being used as a tool for our own destruction.
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    I'm going to repost what I said in the 'when will we hit them back' thread, because it fits with this topic as well, probably even more so.

    Violence is always an ultima ratio, and this counts doubly for political violence. This is because anything done in the political sphere is always scrutinised twice as much, and it's never so done in our favour. It's always a question of gain and cost.

    As such, I'm not blanket against violence and understand it can be a legitimate method if end justifies the means, and there is something worthwhile to gain therefrom. I wouldn't resort to senseless violence however - it's a narrow line between demonstrating strength through violence and demonstrating weakness through violence, and we must never fall on the wrong side of that.

    In Vienna last seek, it's difficult to say - I daresay I believe in that particular case they should have fought back. Then again, I'm not a big fan of demonstrations in the streets to begin with, that's something we should leave till the days we're ready to take over the reins, and focus on other political work until then.
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    I'm against violence as a preferred tactic but let's compare it with a case: if someone attacks your family, do you defend yourself if necessary, or allow them to continue to attack you? So self-defense should be a normal and justified tactic.

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