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    Lightbulb Are "Traditional" Forums Outdated? Are There More Modern Alternatives Now Available?

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    What do I mean by "traditional forum"? Think your classic phpBB/vbulletin message boards. The kind of Forums that make you feel like you're back in the early 2000s, with their snazzy BBC codes, redirect pages, lavish gif icons and animated signatures.

    The number of these forums on the internet seems to be reducing each year. Whilst some would argue against that, one thing is clear - visiting most of the online forums today feels like a trip back in time. Everything looks and feels very outdated, but is the concept of a traditional online forum fading away? Five years ago this software was a vey powerful community powered tool, however the rise of social networks seems to have nullified their influence quite a bit in recent years.

    I think the the concept of forums still works very well. Stack Exchange and Reddit, for example, are essentially forums reimagined. So does anyone have any concepts for a new "modern" type of Forum? Is it mandatory that the modern forum now has some kind of up/down voting for posts? Technically, anything social on the internet is now some sort of Forum, right?
    https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comm...re_there_more/

    There seems to be a real decline in vbulletin-run forums. Forums like Blut und Boden, Nordfolk, e-Nationalism, Stirpes, Irish Nationalism, just to name a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Out of Germania View Post
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    https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comm...re_there_more/

    There seems to be a real decline in vbulletin-run forums. Forums like Blut und Boden, Nordfolk, e-Nationalism, Stirpes, Irish Nationalism, just to name a few.
    Supposedly vBulletin was too easy to hack in the past. Some forums use NodeBB because its more secure than vBulletin. Besides, the social network sites have taken the place of forums for some uses. Promote forums as free speech havens as censorship strikes and growth will come back.

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    It's really sad to read about internet forums and the 2000s being considered old fashioned...

    Hmm, the newest generations seem to have problems with attention span. Discussion forums require more elaborate posts, while lowbrow one-liners are acceptable on 4chan or Twitter. To each his own, to me reddit and Twitter are quite tiresome to the eye, honestly. So I'm not so sure about those new modern alternatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    It's really sad to read about internet forums and the 2000s being considered old fashioned...

    Hmm, the newest generations seem to have problems with attention span. Discussion forums require more elaborate posts, while lowbrow one-liners are acceptable on 4chan or Twitter. To each his own, to me reddit and Twitter are quite tiresome to the eye, honestly. So I'm not so sure about those new modern alternatives.
    Young edgelords have no problem flocking to TRS or Stormer BBS. Although they feel more like social media than traditional forums.

    Blogs took the function of social media for proper discussion though the threading is awful. I think people want to moderate the comments to their own posts.

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    Most nationalist forums, including earlier versions of Skadi, were founded before the late 2000s, when social media like Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, etc. came onto the scene. Among millennials, especially the "Alt-Right", social media is more popular.

    I still think forums have a great role to play. Firstly, they can be a repository of information in a way social media struggles to be. Here at Skadi, you can click any one of the subforums, or search in the searchbar and be taken to just about any Germanic-related political, cultural, linguistic or genetic topic you could imagine.

    There's another recent thread about the alt-right here - but I agree with Siebenbürgerin, the quality of social media tends to be low. On forums, low quality, illiterate, or spammy posters are weeded out or discouraged ; there's no such filter on social media. Material here tends to be low caliber, memes, often discredited. They have a role especially in reaching out to the young, but I'd be sad if social media becomes the dominant venue of nationalist conversation as opposed to forums and websites.

    I do agree this forum, and Stormfront etc., look very out of date... They look like one of those 90s websites you sometimes come across while searching Google.

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    I like the subdued look of this site but NodeBB is more popular and sites usually have a clean white look. Sadly everything takes forever to load - that's if it loads at all. I don't know if the forum databases can be transferred without losing anything.

    The other day Frans agreed with me there should be a Skadi.net wiki for information about history, heathenry, culture and anthropology without anti-Germanic bias. Should the forum go down the wiki can stay up.

    Someone should ask Thorburn.

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    I think skype group chats and the like are more productive in many ways and lead to more in the way of networking, getting motivated and doing stuff, getting together and doing podcasts and helping each other out with setting up youtube channels, blogs etc would be more useful as well.

    The problem with forums really is, though they're great for being introduced to something new to start off with, you tend to end up preaching to the converted and the communication and messaging seems to always be disjointed and half-hearted somewhat. I have met a lot of decent people via skype i stay in touch with, here and abroad. Am always open to more.

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    Forums are great for deeper discussion and thinking. You can't really do deep analysis on a 15-lines facebook post that will be buried in one hour under the storm of other posts. Twitter and others are even worse from this point of view. On a forum you can spend 1-2 hours to write a great post for the community, and it will still be there for all to see 10 years from now, full on with pictures, links, videos, etc. (in many ways, Forums are like multi-users blogs!)

    Blogs are where most of the real material is initially shared, but they come and go and they are tied to the personality of their owner (by the way, most highly successful blogs sooner or later start their own forum! so it's not a dead format).

    Forums are very much a "mastermind" kind of thing. A forum based on superficial chitchat will die, these days. That's why I think Skadi should focus on being mostly a racialist / anthropology think-tank that could attract PhDs and the like... We could very well ditch "Daily Affairs", "Immigration and Crime" and "Cats and Dogs" types of discussions, because Social Media is indeed much faster and better for simple bitching and feeding people's needs for quick, emotional interaction and chit-chat.

    It's thus possible to have a Facebook.com or Minds.com (an open-source social media) group (not page) in parallel to the forums, for the daily chit-chat and bitching needs and to bring in new members.

    The Skadi community doesn't have to be tied to the Forums platform, but the Forums platform would always be the core of the community (since it's privately owned and can't be shut down like a group on a third-party platform). That way, the more superficial members could enjoy discussion on Skadi Social Media, while more serious members will rather tend to head to the Skadi Forums.

    Forums still have a neat function to fulfill but definitely need to evolve. A modern forum should be integrated with other technologies on the same site - such as a Wordpress-based Ebooks Download Center, etc.

    The issue with vBulletin is that it evolves very slowly (the format is not even adapted for mobile viewing!), it's not open-source and it lags behind most sites' modern Wordpress-style types of design. If we want this to change, we should get involved directly with the people at BBPress (Wordpress' best open-source forum plugin) and make them create an vBulletin alternative that retains all vBulletin customization options...

    Wordpress is the future of the internet anyway (tens of thousands of people work daily on improving the system and its plugins), so the move to a WP-based system will have to be done, either now or in 10 years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahnenerbe View Post
    We could very well ditch "Daily Affairs", "Immigration and Crime" and "Cats and Dogs" types of discussions, because Social Media is indeed much faster and better for simple bitching, feeding people's needs for quick, emotional interaction and chit-chat and just sharing quick articles. It's also great for propaganda and connecting with "real" personae that show their real names and faces.
    I agree and said so before. Also: get in trouble for an emotive post on Twitter or Facebook they suspend you're account on the site. They won't seize the site and lose the years of data.

    If it gets people emotive best to ditch it if you ask me.

    Highbrow stuff doesn't usually attract court cases, even the taboo Holocau$t denial that obsesses Nutzis, supposedly fewer mainstream historians in Germany will commit to the gas chambers narrative now than used to. You get in trouble for the tone not the content.

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    Actually vBulletin is among the best Content Management Systems ever designed. It´s so amazingly customizable. Next thing that compares is Wordpress, but WP is quite more recent I believe.

    reason vBulletin forums aren´t used more is fashion. i.e. trendiness.

    typical humans are social creatures who like to jump on bandwagons,

    even though better systems and modes exist.

    c´est la vie. so far...

    (incidentally Nietzsche wrote against it. that is what the ubermensch truly means: to be differentiated, and one´s own.)
    "I have reached these lands but newly
    From an ultimate dim Thule
    From a wild weird clime, that lieth, sublime,
    Out of SPACE — out of TIME
    ."
    Edgar Allan Poe


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