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    In 2001 ~16% of Scotland was catholic. The country's official religion is the Church of Scotland, which is Presbyterian, not Catholic. Roughly half of the people responded that they belong to this church. Germany is about 30% Catholic and Austria is about 70%. I'm pretty sure someone's religion also has no real realtion to their ethnicity. That is to say, you don't become a Germanic by changing your religion, do you really?

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    In 2001 ~16% of Scotland was catholic.
    And indeed most of them are probably of relatively recent Irish descent.

    Scotland is a Protestant country (nominally) and most of it has been since the Reformation, just like England.

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    Is religion really relevant in this discussion?

    Most Dutch are Catholics too, even in the Northern and Eastern Provinces.
    Lets just focus on heritage instead of religion. Religion, as we know it, has been overated for 2010 years (and more).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortress Germania View Post
    Scotland is a catholic country, because the population is med-derived celtic.
    That is just not true. You are probably basing yourself on pygmentation first and foremost, because genetically Scottish people are very low mediterranid. Even the Irish are mostly Keltic-Nordid (Nordid racial type with Medish pygmentation), while the Nordic-Mediterraneans in Ireland are a minority (Mediterranid racial type with Nordish pygmentation.)

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    This is a very interesting resource.

    The Germanic migrations can be divided into three main phases:
    The first phase of migrations are of the Indo-Europeans. Indo-European is the general name given to the people thought to be originated from the steppes of central Asia. Around 5000-4000 BC., these people started to emigrate to the warmer places in the south or west. Most scholars think of this as the beginning of the distinction between Indo-European tribes. Tribes who emigrated to the west became the ancestors of Germans, Slavs, Greeks, Latins, and Celts. People who chose the south as their destination came to be known as Indo-Iranians. There are also a rather small group of people who most likely chose not to participate in this great migration. These later entered the pages of history as Scythians and Sarmatians, although they are also believed to be nomadic Indo-Iranians since their language and customes are closely tide to the Ancient Persians.

    The second phase, between 300 to 675 AD, set in motion the Germanic migration age and resulted in putting Germanic peoples in control of the societies of the former Western Roman Empire.

    The third phase, between 780 to 1100, saw Scandinavian Germans on the move in multiple waves of migration, conquest, and plunder. Settling large areas of northern Europe where their descendants remain today: Russia, England, Scotland, Ireland, Normandy, Iceland, the Shetland and Orkney islands.
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    This one is not bad for a Wikipedia article.

    Scots is the Germanic language variety traditionally spoken in Lowland Scotland and parts of Ulster. It is sometimes called Lowland Scots to distinguish it from Scottish Gaelic, the Celtic language variety spoken in the Highlands and Hebrides.
    Since there are no universally accepted criteria for distinguishing languages from dialects, scholars and other interested parties often disagree about the linguistic, historical and social status of Scots.[1] Although a number of paradigms for distinguishing between languages and dialects do exist, these often render contradictory results. Focused broad Scots is at one end of a bipolar linguistic continuum, with Scottish Standard English at the other [2]. Consequently, Scots is often regarded as one of the ancient varieties of English, but with its own distinct dialects.[3] Alternatively Scots is sometimes treated as a distinct Germanic language, in the way Norwegian is closely linked to, yet distinct from, Danish
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    This article seems to go into better detail, than some of the other resources, which I have seen.

    Another answer that seems superficially plausible is to argue that the undisputed tendency for the German invaders of Britannia to intermarry with the native Celts produced a hybid population in England that is no longer really German. Recent genetic evidence (See also here and here) does confirm early accounts of intermarriage by showing that modern-day England (as well as Scotland, Wales and Ireland) is still substantially Celtic. So therefore the modern English are not as German as the Germans of Germany. To argue that, however, is to ignore the fact that Germany too has undergone great populations shifts and movements. The Saxons, for instance, were a coastal tribe 1500 years ago but certainly are not that today. So Germans too have undoubtedly intermarried with the more Southerly people into whose lands they moved. And who were the people to their immediate South? Celts! So the population of modern-day Germany too undoubtedly has a strong Celtic admixture -- particularly in the South. Southern and Northern Germans today do tend to see themselves as quite different from one-another. So both modern England and modern Germany are in no sense racially "pure". In both cases we are looking at a diluted ancestral infuence. Different ancestry is not therefore as obvious an explanation for modern day English/German differences as it might initially seem.

    The explanation for modern-day English/German differences that I incline towards is that England's freedom from invasions over the last 1,000 years has allowed the English to develop their original Germanic traditions and practices with fewer constraints than those suffered by Germans on the Continent. I would argue that English traditions, practices and values are a more highly evolved version of the same traditions, practices and values that Continental Germans have.

    But that, of course only invites more questions: What is the source of those traditions, practices and values? Can traditions and practices survive enormous vicissitudes for over 2,000 years? And if so, why and how? In answering such questions, I think we have to take into account recent findings in behaviour genetics. I think such findings suggest that the common core that both Germans and the English have built upon in developing their traditions, systems, practices and attitudes is in fact their common genetic heritage.
    Complete Article:http://jonjayray.tripod.com/germlib.html

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    The Scots are Celts, not Germanic. And British Celts by blood more than Germanic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agenobarb View Post
    The Scots are Celts, not Germanic. And British Celts by blood more than Germanic.
    I thought the Scottish were descended from Gaelic Celts who invaded and overran the region(erradicated or conquered any Brythonic tribes) and later Norwegian vikings who did the same thing in Scotland?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnar Lodbrok View Post
    I thought the Scottish were descended from Gaelic Celts who invaded and overran the region
    The Highlanders were mostly Gaelic in origin, while the Lowlanders were much more Germanic in origin. With afew exceptions of course.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fortress Germania View Post
    Scotland is a catholic country
    Hate to break it ya, but you're wrong.. once again. Scotland is Protestant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fortress Germania View Post
    Where are the Scotch?!
    You mean this?

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    Originally Posted by Fortress Germania:
    Scotland is a catholic country


    Oh dear! Sir, Scotland is the only country I know of where folk will show up to boo the pope


    Scots proper,IE, Gaelic Scots, are actually Dal Riadans, Dal Riada was a kingdom encompassing Co. Antrim in Ulster as well as Argyll on the West Coast of Scotland, so Scots are actually Irish, However after Eochaid Munremar, First king of Dal Riada, drove back the Picts it was only a matter of time before the culture would seperate somewhat.

    Scots Lowlanders are pre dominantly Anglo-Saxon, as the Kingdom of Northumbria stretched as far North as Edinburgh*, However the Welsh/Brythonic stronghold of Lothene/Lothian added to the ethnic mix of the Lowlands. In fact William Wallace**, contrary to popular belief, was brythonic Celtic, not Gaelic.

    I have also mentioned in another thread, there was a strong Norse/Danish influence on the Northern Isles and Western Highlands, With Norsemen founding a few well known highland clans. Highland grave effigies also bear out a strong Norse influence.

    Its also interesting to note that the 'Scots' dialect*** is very similar to Old English/ Anglo-Saxon. Examples: Twa/ two, gang/go, etc. Bearing this in mind I would say Scotland could be considered regionally Germanic

    * 'Burgh' is A/S for Stronghold, Edinburgh to my knowledge was the northernmost point of Anglo-Saxon settlement in Britain.

    **The name Wallace is etymologically related to the Welsh surname Wallin

    *** Scots is often referred to as a branch of Middle English, be that as it may, I find this dialect has alot more in common with Old English. An understanding of OE will make Scots intelligible, However doesnt do much, especially for written Middle English, Which if you have read excerpts of the Cotton Titus manuscript is like reading the diary of a retarded monkey on meth. LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horseman View Post
    Oh dear! Sir, Scotland is the only country I know of where folk will show up to boo the pope
    16% of the Scotland population is Catholic.


    • In the 2001 census about 16% of the population of Scotland described themselves as being Roman Catholic.



    Which is even higher then France's catholic population, which is only 9%.


    • An October 2006 CSA poll addressed solely to Catholics established that 17% of French Catholics (who comprise 52% of the population) didn't believe in God. Among the believers, most (79%) described Him as a "force, energy, or spirit" and only 18% as a personal god. In other words, if one excludes people who call themselves "Catholic" but do not believe in a personal god, only 9% of the French population can be called Catholic.

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