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Thread: The Forgotten Legacy of Germanic Scotland

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    Selective picture timee! Do these Scots or 'celts' not seem at all germanic related? These are just a few pictures I found in a couple of minutes, I'm sure I could find much more. I made sure each of them were valid, they aren't just random pictures! Can give sources/names if needed.












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    Quote Originally Posted by Freja_se View Post
    There is a substantial Germanic/Viking influence in Scotland, and they speak a Germanic language, and many have the same values and culture. It is not entirely Germanic but certainly more than enough to be regarded as one of our own.

    I also think it is telling that someone from Scotland insited they are not Germanic, yet they joined a Germanic forum. I think some Scottish people's animosity towards the English keeps them from embracing their Viking/Germanic heritage.

    They see that as "English", I think. Only the Celtic heritage is viewed as uniquely their own, so an important part of their ethnicity and history is frowned upon. Pity. Not all Scots are like that.

    They can differentiate between their Viking heritage and the English, and understand that they don't suddenly turn English just because they to some extent have common ancestors.
    I feel the same, many will probably reject any germanic side simply because of their general anti-English sentiment. So for this reason they become ubercelt, even though celt is indeed part of what they are, but not entirely. I would safely say that all of the British Isles has celt heritage to some degree, at least for Scotland and Ireland. It's obviously a part of me, just as the germanic side is.

    I identify with all Northern and Germanic people, as I think they are very similar. I can easily find many people from Ireland who are very similar to germanics for example, some of course may not be as there is indeed a wide range on the Brit Isles, but nothing too extensive. It is my opinion that the majority of Germanic or Northern/Northwestern regions are very similar, and at times hard to distinguish who belongs where. It's not so easy to concisely divide people up in these regions, they seem to inter-mesh with each other extensively. Sweden seems the most unlayered as far as different ancestries go, and the genetic relation map we've seen would prove this. They are obviously still close to the others of course, just less intermeshing going on there.

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    I'm actually not sure what this debate is about, culture or ancestry, or both. If it's primarily about culture, ignore my picture post above. But I do not see Scottish people, nor Irish people as being genetically distant from 'Germanic' people. It doesn't really make a lot of sense to me, to say that they are very different in that regard. Aren't they both fully nordid, or "nordish?" There are certainly some people on the British Isles who may look different from your average Germanic person, but I would say they're a minority.

    Like others have said, what exactly does Germanic mean when not used in a language or cultural context? Germans, Anglo-Saxons, Scandinavians, and so forth? Well those groups are not all "identical," rather they are similar or closely related.

    If the debate is more about culture, then I cannot say if Scotland (or Ireland for that matter) is Germanic. Lower Scotland would be more in line with Germanic ideals. The fact is that most Scottish (and of course Irish people) identify as "celts," as many have mentioned in this thread.

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    As far as a racial analysis of these countries is concerned, the most characteristically "Germanic" phenotype, to my eyes (or at least that which differentiates them from the British Islanders, particularly those of the more Western parts), is a strongly Corded influenced look.

    I think that the types which have been in Northern Europe and the British Isles since pre-Neolithic times are the same in both areas, except that there is some degree of Alpinid influence on the continent, which is rare or nonexistant in most of the Isles.

    But then in Neolithic and Bronze Age times, these areas were invaded by three races: Atlanto-mediterranean Megalith builders, Corded people, and what I might call "Kelto-Dinarids" (to save confusion with other phenotypes which are often referred to as Dinarids).
    It seems to me that the Corded type is very much the predominant type in Germany, Netherlands and Scandinavia, with the genetic influence of Atlanto-meds and Kelto-Dinarids being generally weaker (though still present), whereas in the British Isles the Kelto-Dinarid is predominant, and to a lesser extent the Atlanto-med.

    Corded influence (presumably from the Vikings) is probably rarest in Ireland, but is quite common in England, and hence what I call "Germanic-looking Englishmen" are common enough, but still the "Keltic" and "Atlantid" look is much more predominant there IMO. Same goes for Scotland, but from my observation it seems the Germanic look is rarer there than in England.

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    Lowlands Scots ought to recognize that a fair portion of their ancestors are Angles. But most of them are very quick to deny this or find reasons against it. Yes, the majority are of Irish (Scots) or Pictish origin, especially true the further north or west that you travel. But in the lowlands area, they should accept that they have some Germanic ancestry.

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    The English are surrounded by people that they consider “Celtics”, the Irish in the West, the Scottish in the North and the Cornish in the South.

    So basically they are cornered, how is that? Very simply because the British Islands used to be completly Celtic, it was only until later that the Angles, Saxons and other Germanics arrived and settled in.

    Even before the Celtics and later the Germanics, the Islands where at first inhabited by the non-Indoeuropean Iberic people known as the “Cruthin”, or more commonly referred to by the Germanics as the “Picts”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penda Seaxwulf
    But in the lowlands area, they should accept that they have some Germanic ancestry.
    Depends what part of the Lowlands. Only Lothian and parts of southern Galloway and Dumfries were ever an integral part of the Northumbrian kingdom.

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    I believe the original inhabitants of Scotland were Celts like the Irish.
    There is a heavy Anglo-Norman-Vikinng element in the Lowland area of Scotland.
    The Highland Scots are definitely more pure Celtic.
    However the Lowland Scots are a mixture of Germanic and Celtic.

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    How common are Lowland Scottish borrebys and faelids? I've been wondering for a while.

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    Scotland is a catholic country, because the population is med-derived celtic. Nordic populations are protestant. It is also predominantly socialist another celtic trait. If the Scotch do take up nordic religions it will not be an ancestral religion for them it would be in a universalist new agey spirit.

    People are talking about "highland" and "Lowland" scots, but only a few farmers live in the Highlands, nobody in any country lives in the mountains in anything but tiny numbers, so by saying "Lowland" Scots are germanic you are saying nobody in Scotland is Scotch but Germanic. Where are the Scotch?!

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