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    I'm from Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, Canada where Celtic blood runs true. We're primarily large folk with a warrior's heart but a kind and generous temperment. Our traffic signs are english/gaelic. I myself feel Celtic/Norse in identification with lineage. The predominant feature would be husky/large build, ruddy features, moles, freckles.

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    I"m a mixture between http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQVrl7wRcNg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried View Post
    They are at least as Germanic as the French (who also have a section there). Scottish is a Germanic language, and Lowland Scots carry quite a bit of ancestry from Germanic settlers. I tend to think of Scotland as a blend and patchwork of Celtic and Germanic culture, just like France is a blend and patchwork of Celtic, Romance, and Germanic cultures. When it comes to self-identification, though, I'd expect most Scots to pick the Celtic family.
    Any Germanic blood is through the Viking invasions. Scotland, while carrying a healthy dose of Viking influence, is considered a Celtic Nation.
    The Celts and Germans were virtually indistinguishable to the ancient historians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VikingManx View Post
    Would you like to know what a "native Briton" looks like?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcTDOIvf5Os

    Watch the narrator. Dark, swarthy, and tiny. He looks absolutely completely nothing like anyone in my family of North-English/Lowland Scots descent.

    We'd think he was a Cherokee indian if he showed up at Christmas.

    Lowlands = Angles.
    I think the narrator looks Scottish, and not all Scots look like him anyways. I think a lot of native Britons would have looked like the guy playing Calgacus and his Caledonian warriors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diarmuid View Post
    I think the narrator looks Scottish, and not all Scots look like him anyways. I think a lot of native Britons would have looked like the guy playing Calgacus and his Caledonian warriors.

    The physical characteristics of the Scottish don't look any different to anywhere else in Northern Europe IMO. I certainly see far more red hair in nearby York than I have seen in Scotland.
    Not that much different to the types seen in this chart, though the dark haired example featured here looks too dark.

    Here is a photogragh of 10th Battalion of The Black Watch (Royal Highlanders) taken in 1914, prior to deployment in Salonika. It gives a good example of the typical Scottish types. Apologies if the photo comes out too small on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hutchins View Post
    Any Germanic blood is through the Viking invasions. Scotland, while carrying a healthy dose of Viking influence, is considered a Celtic Nation.
    The Celts and Germans were virtually indistinguishable to the ancient historians.
    This is incorrect. South-east Scotland, where the vast majority of its population lives, was settled by Northumbrian Angles long before the Kingdom of Scotland was created. That's why the native language of Scotland is English.

    Scotland is only today considered to be a "Celtic" nation for political reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhere View Post
    South-east Scotland, where the vast majority of its population lives, was settled by Northumbrian Angles long before the Kingdom of Scotland was created. That's why the native language of Scotland is English.
    There were people living in Scotland long before the founding of the Kingdom of Scotland and long before the Angles. There have been people living on the Island of Britain for 10,000 years and more and the decendents of those original people are still around today. For information on that look up "Cheddar man".

    There were Picts and Brythonic Celts in the time of the Romans. Then Gaelic speaking Celts invaded from Ireland after the Roman Legions left Britain. Finally the Angles and Saxons moved into the lowlands and some Vikings moved into the western Isles.

    However Scotland retains a strong Celtic cultural influence, (as well as other influences). The number of Scottish people who bare surnames of celtic origin proves that there is far more to Scotland's Celticness than just a political trend.

    If anything the political trend of the past several centuries has been in the opposite direction. Many of the lowland Scots are in my opinion likely descended from indigenous Britons who have assimilated into the culture of the militarily and politically dominant Anglo-Saxons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhere View Post
    That's why the native language of Scotland is English.
    That is incorrect, the native language of Scotland would be Scots. Whilst being with a diasystem with English, its lexical and morphological difference is large enough to count it as a sister-language even though we're not yet talking of Abstandsprachen.

    Of course an argument can be made about its mutual intelligibility, but that would also erase the difference between Dutch and Low German; it would erase much of the difference between Danish, Scanian, Norwegian and Swedish; it would ultimately erase much of the difference between Icelandic and Faroese.

    To say exactly what is a language and what is not is difficult and not uniform, this can be for political reasons of course. Sometimes highly different dialects at differing ends without much mutual intelligibility will be considered as the same language, as with Arabic --- and sometimes it will be that similar languages with a lot of mutual intelligibility will be considered as different languages: Bosnian, Serbian and Croatian; Macedonian and Bulgarian; Ukrainian and Russian.

    In fact, the entire Turkic language family (whether we're speaking of Kirgys-Tatars or Azeri) is closer between each other than let's say the Saudi Arab dialect and the Moroccan Arab dialect. They're even so close to each other, despite being considered a language family in its own right, that the most extreme languages are no farther apart than Dutch is from High German.

    That Scots has become such a close approximate to English again after numerous centuries of separation is largely by virtue of the Union, when Scots became to be considered as a "lacking competence in English" instead of a language in its own right. So much of especially the lexicon became Anglicised, considering the higher prestige of English.

    This can be compared to the situation in Norway, where much of the lexicon, syntax and morphology was re-approximated to Danish (which was the liturgical and administrative language) even though the two had actually previously been on two different branches already: Old Danish (along with Old Swedish) on the East Old Nordic branch, Old Norwegian (along with Old Icelandic) on the West Old Nordic branch.

    Hope that helped.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Horned God View Post
    If anything the political trend of the past several centuries has been in the opposite direction. Many of the lowland Scots are in my opinion likely descended from indigenous Britons who have assimilated into the culture of the militarily and politically dominant Anglo-Saxons.
    Not that likely, or if anything then would have to be Anglicised at a very early stage. When we compare the fact that Scots is on a diasystem with English and that the Union did thus not demand them to change their idiom as much, whilst Gaelic speakers such as around Inverness speak almost 100% clear Queen's English (compare to the situation of Northern Germany > standardised due to dropping of the native dialect) ... you know what I'm getting at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post

    Not that likely, or if anything then would have to be Anglicised at a very early stage. When we compare the fact that Scots is on a diasystem with English and that the Union did thus not demand them to change their idiom as much, whilst Gaelic speakers such as around Inverness speak almost 100% clear Queen's English (compare to the situation of Northern Germany > standardised due to dropping of the native dialect) ... you know what I'm getting at.
    I know what you're getting at. The Gaelic speakers of the North speak a recently acquired English, while the Lowlanders speak an English that has diverged some distance from official English through long usage.

    However this might be explained by the fact that the Gaelic speakers of the far north because of their remoteness simply did not come under as much pressure from Anglo-Saxon culture until much later.

    It is still quite possible that the Lowland Scots were indeed assimilated into Germanic culture at an early stage. This kind of thing has happened before.

    If you look at the recent genetic analysis of the Greenland Norse graves it showed that they were actually more Gaelic then Scandinavian. They had simply been assimilated by a militarily more powerful culture. If they were still alive today they would be speaking a very idiomatic from of Norse indeed!

    This is the trend almost where ever you look in history. If a militarily more powerful group invades an area and takes over control of resources they will have a powerful cultural impact. Their genetic impact and legacy though, ends up being far less forceful. In fact the invaders genes are the ones who ultimately get assimilated and dispersed within the larger indigenous population they have conquered.

    About the only time when this varies is when there is a near whole-sail replacement of population through ethnic cleansing, as happened during the plantation of Ulster post 1600. But that kind of operation is extremely difficult, costly and slow to accomplish and very much the exception in human affairs rather than the norm.

    Usually in the history of a European people a militarily more powerful but numerically smaller group, will take over an area but allow the larger indigenous population to remain in order to work for them as serfs. The serfs then begin to speak the language of their masters and if they want to rise higher in society they must assimilate.
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    If you are referring to Stephen Oppenheimer as your benchmark for Celticity, Id be careful.

    Tell me of other examples in European history wherein a ruling class completely destroys the natives language, whilst using them as serfs.

    This doesnt stand up to historical record in Britain, and Im a hell of a lot more likely to believe medieval historians than modern Jews like Oppenheimer who like to take one tiny piece of the genetic puzzle, and paint a completely different picture for an entire nation.

    Ludicrous.
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