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    Scotland his both Celtic and Germanic, Celtic areas are the true Scots of Argyll, The Pictish Tribes of the Highlands & Galloway and finally the Strathclyde Britons. The Germanic areas are the North & Western isles, Sutherland, Caithness and the Galloway coast which were settled by the Norse. The Lothian & Borders are of Anglian settlement, although there as been much intermixing over the centuries including Anglo-normans throughtout the Lowlands.

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    It comes to a point where the whole Celtic vs. Germanic thing is too exhausting and I just want to say that all of the islands of Britain and Ireland are "Celto-Germanic." Unless Gaelic and Welsh become the primary spoken languages of Scotland, Ireland, and Wales, doesn't Celtic only really mean "not England?"

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    Genetic studdies show that scots in the southern border areas and in the extream north and Northern islands are closer to germanics than celtic, they like the English share more DNA with the Norse than the celts

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    They're Celto-Germanic and it isn't a problem. They're quite similiar to the Scandinavians, particularly Norwegians, I think. Even the cultural cross over with insular Celtic/Gaelic and Germanic is large scale.

    Take Ogham script for example, it almost mirrors entirely the runes:

    * Beith, Old Irish Beithe means "birch-tree", cognate to Latin betula.
    * Luis, Old Irish Luis is either related to luise "blaze" or lus "herb". The arboreal tradition has caertheand "rowan".
    * Fearn, Old Irish Fern means "alder-tree", Primitive Irish *wernā, so that the original value of the letter was [w].
    * Sail, Old Irish Sail means "willow-tree", cognate to Latin salix.
    * Nion, Old Irish Nin means either "fork" or "loft". The arboreal tradition has uinnius "ash-tree".
    * Uath, Old Irish Úath means úath "horror, fear", the arboreal tradition has "white-thorn". The original etymology of the name, and the letter's value, are however unclear. McManus (1986) suggested a value [y]. Peter Schrijver (see McManus 1991:37) suggested that if úath "fear" is cognate with Latin pavere, a trace of PIE *p might have survived into Primitive Irish, but there is no independent evidence for this.
    * Dair, Old Irish Dair means "oak" (PIE *doru-).
    * Tinne, Old Irish Tinne from the evidence of the kennings means "bar of metal, ingot". The arboreal tradition has cuileand "holly".
    * Coll, Old Irish Coll meant "hazel-tree", cognate with Welsh collen, correctly glossed as cainfidh "fair-wood" ("hazel") by the arboreal interpretation. The Latin corylus is a possible cognate.
    * Ceirt, Old Irish Cert is cognate with Welsh pert "bush" , Latin quercus "oak" (PIE *perkwos). It was confused with Old Irish ceirt "rag", reflected in the kennings. The Auraicept glosses aball "apple".
    * Muin, Old Irish Muin: the kennings connect this name to three different words, muin "neck, upper part of the back", muin "wile, ruse", and muin "love, esteem". The arboreal tradition has finemhain "vine".
    * Gort, Old Irish Gort means "field" (cognate to garden). The arboreal tradition has edind "ivy".
    * nGéadal, Old Irish Gétal from the kennings has a meaning of "killing", maybe cognate to gonid "slays", from PIE gwen-. The value of the letter in Primitive Irish, then, was a voiced labiovelar, [gʷ]. The arboreal tradition glosses cilcach, "broom" or "fern".
    * Straif, Old Irish Straiph means "sulphur". The Primitive Irish letter value is uncertain, it may have been a sibilant different from s, which is taken by sail, maybe a reflex of /st/ or /sw/. The arboreal tradition glosses draighin "blackthorn".
    * Ruis, Old Irish Ruis means "red" or "redness", glossed as trom "elder".
    * Ailm, Old Irish Ailm is of uncertain meaning, possibly "pine-tree". The Auraicept has crand giuis .i. ochtach, "fir-tree" or "pinetree".
    * Onn, Old Irish Onn means "ash-tree", although the Auraicept glosses aiten "furze".
    * Úr, Old Irish Úr, based on the kennings, means "earth, clay, soil". The Auraicept glosses fraech "heath".
    * Eadhadh, Old Irish Edad of unknown meaning. The Auraicept glosses crand fir no crithach "test-tree or aspen"
    * Iodhadh, Old Irish Idad is of uncertain meaning, but is probably a form of ibhar "yew", which is the meaning given to it in the arboreal tradition.
    Take a look at the carved stones of the Picts:





    The Scottish are not necessarily Germanic, but they're certainly closer to it than they are to anything else.

    Celto-Germanic, I would say. The Scots, of course speaking a Germanic language, are probably more on the Germanic side than the Gaels, of course, that speaks for itself.

    I think alot of insular Celtic culture feels more 'northerly' than does continental Celtic culture, which is perhaps some explanation for similarities, that and of course Norse, Anglo-Saxon and perhaps some British Isles pre-Indo-European influence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VikingManx View Post
    Im actually enormous in real life, and Ill meet you anywhere to discuss this further, to avoid being, like you, an "internet tough-guy".
    Hahaha...yeah! What an ass you are. Maybe you should try out to join the cast of Jersey Shore?

    Anyway, Mongo, this thread is about Scotland, not about you trying to reach your full potential as a living embarrassment to yourself. Maybe you should spend a little more time exercising your brain so that someday you might actually be able to make useful contributions to this forum.
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    Are blacks African?
    I have much scottish and norwegian blood. Scots accompanied the Red to greenland as scouts. Scots were a large part of viking raids on island monasteries. We share similar traditions and beliefs, and also much blood and DNA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlazingSon View Post
    Hahaha...yeah! What an ass you are. Maybe you should try out to join the cast of Jersey Shore?

    Anyway, Mongo, this thread is about Scotland, not about you trying to reach your full potential as a living embarrassment to yourself. Maybe you should spend a little more time exercising your brain so that someday you might actually be able to make useful contributions to this forum.
    You speak like a Jew.

    All mouth, nothing to back it up.

    Id start lookin' through my geneology pretty closely, my "confused" friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VikingManx View Post
    You speak like a Jew.

    All mouth, nothing to back it up.

    Id start lookin' through my geneology pretty closely, my "confused" friend.
    Its easy to talk tough online, isn't it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VikingManx View Post
    You speak like a Jew.
    You speak like the witless dolt that you are.

    All mouth, nothing to back it up.
    I take it you're issuing a challenge? Alright then, please provide your name, address, and a phone number where I can reach you. Maybe I'll head down to Texas one of these days and pay you a visit.
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    I mean Greenland*

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