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    Post Re: Question : Is Scotland Germanic?

    I have one question though - are Germans Germanic?

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    Post Re: Question : Is Scotland Germanic?

    Also, why is this thread called "Scots Fowk"?
    Sounds really odd.

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    Post Re: Question : Is Scotland Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Milesian
    I have one question though - are Germans Germanic?
    I think the most important question is, what does Germanic mean? It seems like many people have different have different opinions of what it means.
    Personally i see it as a ethno-linguistic and cultural term. With that definition Lallan Scots are Germanic. So are the Germans

    Also, why is this thread called "Scots Fowk"?
    Sounds really odd.
    In Scots, what you refer to as jibberish , fowk means folk.

    You can look in the Dictionary of the Scots Language (Dictionar o the Scots Leid) which is an internet edition of both the DOST (Dictionary of the Older Scottish Tongue) and the SND (Scottish National Dictionary).

    http://www.dsl.ac.uk/dsl/
    A! Fredome is a noble thing
    Fredome mays man to haiff liking.
    Fredome all solace to man giffis,
    He levys at es that frely levys.
    A noble hart may haiff nane es
    Na ellys nocht that may him ples
    Gyff fredome failyhe, for fre liking
    Is yharnyt our all other thing.
    Na he that ay has levyt fre
    May nocht knaw weill the propyrte
    The angyr na the wrechyt dome
    That is couplyt to foule thyrldome,
    Bot gyff he had assayit it.
    Than all perquer he suld it wyt,
    And suld think fredome mar to prys
    Than all the gold in warld that is.
    Thus contrar thingis evermar
    Discoveryngis off the tother ar,


    Scots is our mither tung; an gin we dinna hain it,
    thare naebody gaun tae hain it for us.


    Scots is our mother tongue; and if we do not preserve it,
    nobody will preserve it for us.

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    Post Re: Question : Is Scotland Germanic?

    I must admit that I don't really understand what is and isn't Germanic. But as someone who has lived in Scotland for many years, let me say this...

    In my opinion, the nordic element in Scotland is exaggerated. Traces of nordic ancestry can be seen in a lot of the population, but Hallstatt nordics aren't particularly common. Most Scots are a mix of nordic, borreby, brunn and atlanto med. So if Germanic=nordic, then Scotland is only partly Germanic. Of course there are differences between the areas; for example, I noticed that Glaswegians seemed to be more nordic than Aberdonians and those in the North East. On average, England is much more nordic than any of the Celtic nations.

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    Post Re: Question : Is Scotland Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by KULL
    Ireland too ?
    Don't forget the Vikings also came to parts of Ireland!

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    Post Re: Question : Is Scotland Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd Eirikson
    Don't forget the Vikings also came to parts of Ireland!
    True; the Irish have significant Germanic admixture. They identify themselves as Celtic, though.

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    Post Re: Question : Is Scotland Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by dehook
    I must admit that I don't really understand what is and isn't Germanic.
    The most common statement i've read here on Skadi...... However you're right, Dehook. This equivoke is hard to die. It's very strange : although this is a site on Germanic preservation, the definition itself of "Germanic" isn't (exactly) the same thing for all.


    Quote Originally Posted by dehook
    In my opinion, the nordic element in Scotland is exaggerated. Traces of nordic ancestry can be seen in a lot of the population, but Hallstatt nordics aren't particularly common. Most Scots are a mix of nordic, borreby, brunn and atlanto med. So if Germanic=nordic, then Scotland is only partly Germanic. Of course there are differences between the areas; for example, I noticed that Glaswegians seemed to be more nordic than Aberdonians and those in the North East. On average, England is much more nordic than any of the Celtic nations.
    Exactly my same thoughts.

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    Post Re: Question : Is Scotland Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by KULL
    It's very strange : although this is a site on Germanic preservation, the definition itself of "Germanic" isn't (exactly) the same thing for all.
    Every ethnic and racial group has blurred edges. Go to Stormfront and witness the 'Who is White?', 'Is [s]he White?' threads. Irish nationalists may argue about the 'Irishness' of some American citizens, Russians about how Slavic the Bulgarians are. These issues only arise when people no longer have a concrete community of which they are a part, and take refuge in more abstract levels of identity.

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    Post Re: Question : Is Scotland Germanic?

    I would say that the group of Celto-Germanic resembles everything that is Northern European in nature, that is generally likely to be people now in UK, Scandinavia, Germany, Austria, Eastern Switzerland (germanspeaking part), Northern France (Normandie, Alsace, Lorraine), Northern Italy (Southern Tyrol, Lombardy), Northern Slovenia (South Styria), West Czech Republic (Sudetenland), North-West Poland (the Corridor), Russia's "Kaliningrad Oblast" (East Prussia), Western Lithuania (East Prussia), Finland, Ireland.

    Most phenotypes there are predominantly Germanic in its nature.

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    Post Re: Question : Is Scotland Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried
    These issues only arise when people no longer have a concrete community of which they are a part, and take refuge in more abstract levels of identity.
    Perfect answer (like usual ). That's the heart of the problem, Sieg. ; abstrac visions can be incredibly flattering; but more you're attracted by such dreams, more you're far by your reality. I'm north-Italian, Sieg., and you surely know many people claim NorthItaly being germanic : well, it should be natural and logic ,from myself, to sustain this theory on this site. But, personally, i've never sustained that , and i never will. It would be NOT honest, imo. , rather a flattering illusion (illusions haven't much sense in the real world). I believe that germanic populations have had a determinant role in the history of my country (the northern part i mean) : it's sufficient to remember Longbards Austrian empire etc. . Although that, North-Italy can't be considered a Germanic area ; It's rather a mix of Celt/Gallic-Romance-Germanic populations and then, something of not exactly classifiable (like the major part of France surely). Very different from the centre-south Italy, sure, and probably not a southern european area (rather central european), but , on the other side, not classifiable like predominantly Germanic.

    I think the same about countries like Scotland or Ireland or wales (or France). Yes, Germanic influence was probably determinant in their formation, but, can we call Irish or welsh to be Germanic ? Germanic, like component (%) of a nation background composition, isn't sufficient to call a nation Germanic : the germanic component must be PREDOMINANT on the others.......Scotland language is english only cause England domain. The same in Ireland. It's clear. Imo, honestly, all these discussion originate from the fact that in America, many supporters of white nationalism are of mixed origin (large strata of white america are constituted by Irish-German or Scottish-German or Irish-Dutch mix), therefore : 1) american white nationalism is, obviously, more northeuropean oriented. 2) it's natural, from them, an attempt to unite strongly Celtism and Germanism in one thing.

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