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    OK guys, can they arrest you all? If you are not somehow going to actively (not passively) oppose immigration into Europe, Europe will be lost.

    Wanta see how this works when you do nothing? Brush up on your Spanish skills and visit California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    OK guys, can they arrest you all? If you are not somehow going to actively (not passively) oppose immigration into Europe, Europe will be lost.

    I don't see any point in breaking the law. All that does is destroy your own reputation and drag whatever your are trying to achieve into disrepute in the eyes of the general public.

    The only thing most people can do is to vote for anti-immigration parties or failing that, to vote for anti-immigration candidates.

    Violent or aggressive direct action against individual immigrants is morally questionable at the best of times, and only for those with absolutely nothing to lose in terms of reputation or career. And that's not most of us.
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    Europe sees surge in child migrants, mostly Afghans:



    Men and women, old and young have all been part of the recent surge of asylum seekers into the European Union, Norway and Switzerland. But a lesser-known story about this surge is the rapid rise in child migrants traveling without an adult guardian.

    Since 2008, about 198,500 unaccompanied minors have entered Europe seeking asylum, according to data from Eurostat, the EU’s statistical agency. The first significant jump came in 2014, when the number of unaccompanied minors seeking asylum almost doubled compared with 2013, from 13,800 to 23,200. A year later, in 2015, the total quadrupled to a record 96,000. The 2015 total alone accounts for nearly half (48%) of unaccompanied minors that have entered Europe since 2008. Nearly 7% of all first-time asylum applications in 2015 were from unaccompanied minors, the highest share since data on accompanied minors became available in 2008.

    Europe is not alone when it comes to increases in child migration. Since 2008, thousands of unaccompanied minors have entered the U.S. In 2014 alone, some 68,600 unaccompanied children were apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border, a total that fell dramatically in 2015. But so far in 2016, apprehensions have risen to levels comparable to 2014. More than half of those apprehended were from Central America, El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. (The U.S. data are of apprehensions of unaccompanied minors at the U.S.-Mexico border, while the European figures are unaccompanied minors who apply for asylum after reaching Europe. Though the data measure different points in the migration process, they represent the best available measures of the total number of unaccompanied minors entering each region.)

    In both the U.S. and Europe, the great majority of unaccompanied minors are teenage boys. In 2015, about three-fourths of unaccompanied minors seeking asylum in Europe were males ages 14 to 17. In the U.S., about three-fourths of unaccompanied minors apprehended at U.S. borders were also teenage boys of the same age in fiscal 2015.

    Since 2008, about four-in-ten of Europe’s unaccompanied minors – 76,700, or 39% – have traveled from Afghanistan, about a 3,000-mile trip. That makes Afghanistan by far the single largest source country of unaccompanied minors in Europe since data became available. Unaccompanied minors also come from other far-flung places. Some 13,200 arrived from Somalia and another 11,600 have arrived from Eritrea since 2008. Travel from both countries requires navigating treacherous terrain and a perilous journey across the Mediterranean Sea. Other top countries of origin include places closer to Europe, including Syria (19,300 arrived since 2008) and Iraq (9,100), while some source countries are in continental Europe, including Albania (3,100) and Russia (2,700).

    Unaccompanied minors do not always apply for asylum in the first European country they enter. Many travel north through the continent. Between 2008 and 2015, almost a third (58,500) of all unaccompanied minors seeking asylum in the European Union, Norway or Switzerland have sought asylum in Sweden. Another 29,600 have applied for asylum in Germany (15%) and 17,800 (9%) have applied in the United Kingdom.

    But the eight-year totals mask a change in destination countries among unaccompanied child migrants applying for asylum in Europe. In 2015, Sweden received more than a third (37%) of European unaccompanied minors, up from 11% in 2008. By contrast, the United Kingdom declined dramatically as a destination for unaccompanied child migrants. In 2008, 32% of unaccompanied minors sought asylum in the UK, a share that dropped to just 3% in 2015.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horned God View Post
    I don't see any point in breaking the law. All that does is destroy your own reputation and drag whatever your are trying to achieve into disrepute in the eyes of the general public.

    The only thing most people can do is to vote for anti-immigration parties or failing that, to vote for anti-immigration candidates.

    Violent or aggressive direct action against individual immigrants is morally questionable at the best of times, and only for those with absolutely nothing to lose in terms of reputation or career. And that's not most of us.
    Change never comes from the middle. It never comes from conventional, establishment platitudes. It only comes when convention and the establishment are threatened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    Change never comes from the middle. It never comes from conventional, establishment platitudes. It only comes when convention and the establishment are threatened.
    I would argue that the progressive, cultural Marxist (whatever you want to call it) attitudes that are prevalent today came about through steady and subtle infiltration of academia and government. So it is possible to turn back the tide in equally steady and subtle ways. I believe that the more comically insane the "left" gets, the more the silent majority is pushing back. The "left" is in a tricky position now because the further they go, the deeper they're digging their own grave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    OK guys, can they arrest you all? If you are not somehow going to actively (not passively) oppose immigration into Europe, Europe will be lost.

    Wanta see how this works when you do nothing? Brush up on your Spanish skills and visit California.
    So why are you guys just doing nothing then? Don't get me wrong, I do hear you and I share your feelings. But as The Horned God summed it up so nicely: people won't take it to the streets fighting for their homes unless they are actually fighting for their survival - and we aren't there yet. At this time, people have far too much to loose like their precious wealth and their cozy lives.

    And our governments are doing everything they possibly can to keep us in check. They are using censorship everywhere and are constantly looking for those evil "far-rights" to prosecute. Nowadays everyone not cheering the invaders on invading is "far-right".

    It's all a question of when (not if) the silent majority will finally stop being silent, that is when the people are beginning to fear for their very survival. Question is, will we still be strong enough then to claim back our countries...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irminson View Post
    So why are you guys just doing nothing then? Don't get me wrong, I do hear you and I share your feelings. But as The Horned God summed it up so nicely: people won't take it to the streets fighting for their homes unless they are actually fighting for their survival - and we aren't there yet. At this time, people have far too much to loose like their precious wealth and their cozy lives.

    And our governments are doing everything they possibly can to keep us in check. They are using censorship everywhere and are constantly looking for those evil "far-rights" to prosecute. Nowadays everyone not cheering the invaders on invading is "far-right".

    It's all a question of when (not if) the silent majority will finally stop being silent, that is when the people are beginning to fear for their very survival. Question is, will we still be strong enough then to claim back our countries...
    So what is your personal last straw?

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    German state plans to test refugees' IQ to 'find out where there's talent


    “The suggestion is the completely wrong approach and isn’t exactly a sign of intelligent thinking,” said Petra Berg, general secretary for the center-left Social Democrats in Saarland.

    She raised concerns that the initiative would reinforce stereotypes and promote a discriminatory selection process.

    “Intelligence isn’t a statistical matter that can be simply scanned,” she added.
    She sounds scared. People would finally find out that these people are not all doctors and engineers, like they keep claiming. Even if reports come out that a sizeable chunk of them cannot even read in their own native language.

    Too bad they wont test them all, but just the people who volunteer. Crème de la crème, so their results are flawed anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    So what is your personal last straw?
    How does killing a migrant and getting thrown in prison for the rest of your life help? I understand the frustration, but that's not a solution.

    The only way is to replace the governments we have now with nationalist ones. You can see the results in Hungary, Poland, Slovakia - those countries just aren't letting the Syrian influx in. Nationalist parties have risen in the polls in Austria, Germany, France, etc., though to be fair we are not yet at the point of a nationalist govt. being elected in a western European nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    Change never comes from the middle. It never comes from conventional, establishment platitudes. It only comes when convention and the establishment are threatened.
    That sounds like you are advocating a violent revolution. "Taking the fight to the streets" etc. I'm against that.

    When you have a violent revolution 90% of the time you end up with something worse than what you started with. It starts a spiral of violence and the sons of the revolution usually turn on it's fathers. That happened with the French Revolution and the Russian revolution. Extremism usually breeds even further extremism. It's almost never the right move imo.

    The only course of action I support is political. All that needs to happen is for Europeans to elect anti-immigration parties and the problem will be solved. Thankfully that is finally beginning to happen.
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