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    Post What is the Walloon Racial Type?

    Can anyone give me information on the Walloon racial type? What does it look like? What traits are characteristic of it? I am only asking because on Nordish.com it said that a cross between the Borreby and Alpine produces the Walloon. I tried posting this question under racial classification section on this forum but no one responded. My father is probably a perfect example of an Alpine and my mother is most likely Borreby. Would that make me Walloon? On the Racial Classifications section they said I look Falish. ?????

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    Post AW: Walloon?????

    There is no Walloon racial type. Wallonia is a region in southern Belgium and pretty much like northern France.
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    Post Re: Walloon?????

    So then is Nordish.com wrong? It says, "The Borreby racial zone is transitional to the Alpine zone in the Southwest, and to the Ladogan in the east. The former has given rise to an intermediate Alpine-Borreby type, Walloons Type,the latter to a composite type known as East Baltic.Also, if it is in Belgium then I suppose that I can't be Walloon, because we have no French ancestry.

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    Post Re: Walloon?????

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer
    So then is Nordish.com wrong? It says, "The Borreby racial zone is transitional to the Alpine zone in the Southwest, and to the Ladogan in the east. The former has given rise to an intermediate Alpine-Borreby type, Walloons Type,the latter to a composite type known as East Baltic.Also, if it is in Belgium then I suppose that I can't be Walloon, because we have no French ancestry.
    It is French colonies(settlers) of Belgium though.You are not French, in fact,I just found out that there is a Wallonian language as well and it does not seem to have much French influence.

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    Post Re: Walloon?????

    Quote Originally Posted by MVSSOLINI
    It is French colonies(settlers) of Belgium though.You are not French, in fact,I just found out that there is a Wallonian language as well and it does not seem to have much French influence.
    Walloon is the oldest Langue d'oil still alive in Europe, and it is very close to old French. It's basically old French with a slight German (in the eastern part) and Flemish influence.
    Though my language is French, I still understand the Walloon language, from my grandfather. It sounds like an easy-going version of old French.
    Walloon as a langage is related to his northern France neighbor the Picard, both are sometimes commonly called the Wallo-Picard language.

    To answer OP question, I am a Walloon from Liege and the common racial type around here is Sub-Nordic or Keltic Nordic. There are very Alpine and very mediteranean individuals too, but the common type among male is a medium statured, brown haired, blue eyed, very fair skin individual.

    Like everywhere in the Low Countries, it is very mixed subracially: basically, if a very Spaniard looking individual and a very Nordid looking individual both claim being Walloon, no one will look twice. There is no really typical "Walloon" appearance.

    A Walloon is not a French, administratively speaking, but culturally he has far more reasons to be French than an Alsatian, a Basque, a Briton or a Corsican; Walloon as a language being a Langue d'Oil, while the aforementioned languages aren't, the connection with Paris is more historically sound, well it seems to me anyway.

    I just came back from France yesterday (in Picardy) and I was speaking to that guy saying they (Picards) felt more akin to us French speaking Belgians than to Parisians or southern French.
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    Post Re: Walloon?????

    Quote Originally Posted by FRED
    Walloon is the oldest Langue d'oil still alive in Europe, and it is very close to old French. It's basically old French with a slight German (in the eastern part) and Flemish influence. Walloon as a langage is related to his northern France neighbor the Picard, both are sometimes commonly called the Wallo-Picard language.
    Do the differences of Walloon to standard French have more dialectal character and apply thus only for the spoken idiom, or are there greater differences in the written language between the Communauté française de Belgique and the French in a narrower sense?

    I sometimes (but mostly however not) see on language maps Walloon seperated from proper French - something which one wouldn't do with Austria and Switzerland on German language maps, as the Austrians and Swiss have (just as the other Germans) own dialects as spoken idioms for daily use in informal situations, but as written and "high" language they have the same standard German as it is in use in the German core state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordgau
    Do the differences of Walloon to standard French have more dialectal character and apply thus only for the spoken idiom, or are there greater differences in the written language between the Communauté française de Belgique and the French in a narrower sense?
    Actually Walloon is barely spoken nowadays, the Belgian French is basically standard french with few negligible deviation like:
    French: 70 = Soixante-Dix, 90 = Quatre-vingt Dix.
    Belgian French: 70 = Septante, 90 = Nonante.
    The other variations are no more significant than the difference between UK English and American English, and almost inexistant besides popular speech and local accents.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nordgau
    I sometimes (but mostly however not) see on language maps Walloon seperated from proper French - something which one wouldn't do with Austria and Switzerland on German language maps, as the Austrians and Swiss have (just as the other Germans) own dialects as spoken idioms for daily use in informal situations, but as written and "high" language they have the same standard German as it is in use in the German core state.
    It's the same with Belgian French and standard French. Of course, the now moribund Walloon language in its pure form is unintelligible to a Parisian, but so is older French.
    Last edited by Fred; Tuesday, July 20th, 2004 at 01:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FRED
    Actually Walloon is barely spoken nowadays, the Belgian French is basically standard french with few negligible deviation like:
    French: 70 = Soixante-Dix, 90 = Quatre-vingt Dix.
    Belgian French: 70 = Septante, 90 = Nonante.
    The other variations are no more significant than the difference between UK English and American English, and almost inexistant besides popular speech and local accents.

    It's the same with Belgian French and standard French. Of course, the now moribund Walloon language in its pure form is unintelligible to a Parisian, but so is older French.
    I saw the word "new" spelt as "nouveaux", rather than "nouveau" on a Belgian site. Is that different as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MVSSOLINI
    I saw the word "new" spelt as "nouveaux", rather than "nouveau" on a Belgian site. Is that different as well?
    No, it is just the plural form

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    Post Re: Walloon?????

    Jenifer, let me address your question about the Walloon type. First of all, Walloon is a language and nationality, granted. But there are in some racial classifications a sub-race called the "Walloon Type". It is a cross between Borreby and Alpine as you said, but also has Keltic Nordic mixture. The percentage of each of these three types varies from place to place within the area in which this type predominates. This type is not only present in the Walloon language area of Belgium, but also occurs with less frequency in neighboring sections of the western Rheinland-Pfalz province in Germany and the Netherlands south of the Rhine River, and sporadically in parts of north-cental and northeast France. In the Luxembourg province of Walloon-speaking Belgium and in the country of Luxembourg, the Alpine element is much more significant than the Borreby in the mix.
    As to your racial type, it is determined by your features, not that of your parents. One may speak of a "perfect" or "near-perfect" example of this or that sub-race, meaning that they have an overwhelming appearance of that sub-race, not that their ancestry is 100% of that sub-race, because there are no individuals who derive 100% of their gene pool from a single race. Your racial characteristics can come from ancestors other than your parents, as well as your parents.

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