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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    History is under the wrath of politics, I don't think I have to prove that.

    Then what History is are political correct narratives. There is no conclusive proof of anything, beside that they found something.

    To proof the Kensington stone being pre-Columbian is the same as proving the Cologne Cathedral is medieval. There is no proof of both at all.

    How do you proof that the foundation stones of the cathedral are from medieval time (the claim is XII century). There is none. The oldest picture showing anything about the Cologne Cathedral is from 1830 or so.

    The construction documentation shows it has been built in the 1800s, on a foundation supposedly going back to the 12th/13th century. It just says so and there is no proof of it at all.

    How do you proof that Charlemagne existed? Can you give me unrevertable proof of that?

    history is tales, narratives which are convenient to the ruling people.

    What is not convenient is rejected as hoax and what is convenient is approved without a shred of evidence.

    Yes, the Kensington stone maybe a hoax, it may also be originally made by vikings living in America before Columbus' arrival.

    Why it is found where Scandinavian lived? Might well be that Scandinavian tend to settle where the climate and area is similar to Scandinavia. That is why Scandinavians are mostly settled in the northern states and not in Texas. (and it is also the shortest sailing route)
    Archaeology is not politics. If the Kensington Rune Stone is not pre-Columbian, then it is a fraud. But even that is not the basic issue. As always, in science, it is proof. If there is no proof the Kensington Rune Stone is pre-Columbian, then it is not an accepted fact. The fact is the Kensington Rune Stone is not accepted as put forth. Until someone comes up with new evidence proving it is pre-Columbian, in other words dating it, the whole topic is far less credible than bigfoot or UFOs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    Why it is found where Scandinavian lived? Might well be that Scandinavian tend to settle where the climate and area is similar to Scandinavia. That is why Scandinavians are mostly settled in the northern states and not in Texas. (and it is also the shortest sailing route)
    While true in some cases Europeans settled where the climate was similar to their homelands, it is certainly not the normal settlement trend.

    European settlement of areas was more based on land availability trends, family ties, and European political trends than anything else. Texas has the highest number of Germans as far as settlement goes, and there is no climate in Germany that matches Texas. Many Scandinavians settled in the Southwest part of America. Keep in mind that if you did not speak English you would be more comfortable around people who spoke your native language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    Archaeology is not politics. If the Kensington Rune Stone is not pre-Columbian, then it is a fraud. But even that is not the basic issue. As always, in science, it is proof. If there is no proof the Kensington Rune Stone is pre-Columbian, then it is not an accepted fact. The fact is the Kensington Rune Stone is not accepted as put forth. Until someone comes up with new evidence proving it is pre-Columbian, in other words dating it, the whole topic is far less credible than bigfoot or UFOs.
    That is why I asked you the question why is Cologne Cathedral accepted to have been started in XII century without any proof that the stones are that old but with Kensington stone is not accepted but equally there is no proof.

    (if you don't like the cathedral question just take for example the Akropolis in Greece. What proof do you have it is really that old?

    Or take the city of Rome, no building there is older than 1,000 AD, and thats from the city administration)

    That isn't science.

    Either you have a standard for everything or you don't have standards.

    But double standards aren't accepted
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    That is why I asked you the question why is Cologne Cathedral accepted to have been started in XII century without any proof that the stones are that old but with Kensington stone is not accepted but equally there is no proof.

    (if you don't like the cathedral question just take for example the Akropolis in Greece. What proof do you have it is really that old?

    Or take the city of Rome, no building there is older than 1,000 AD, and thats from the city administration)

    That isn't science.

    Either you have a standard for everything or you don't have standards.

    But double standards aren't accepted
    Huh? All of those structures have been well documented by myriad sources throughout history. Plus, there are many buildings in Rome older than 1,000 A.D. The Coliseum, The Pantheon, etc., which were written about at that time.

    That's a big difference between the examples you gave and these several runestones; these runestones weren't documented until they were suddenly "discovered" in the 19th or 20th centuries. The evidence discussed upthread about the inscriptions seeming inauthentic for the proposed period would appear to weigh against them being from the Viking age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    That is why I asked you the question why is Cologne Cathedral accepted to have been started in XII century without any proof that the stones are that old but with Kensington stone is not accepted but equally there is no proof.

    (if you don't like the cathedral question just take for example the Akropolis in Greece. What proof do you have it is really that old?

    Or take the city of Rome, no building there is older than 1,000 AD, and thats from the city administration)

    That isn't science.

    Either you have a standard for everything or you don't have standards.

    But double standards aren't accepted
    The question of the starting date for the Cologne Cathedral is a historical rather than archaeological question. No scientific dating technique I know of would be suitable for such a recent structure. History is hardly science.

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    Peter Stormare to Direct, Star in ‘American Runestone’ Series on the Vikings in America


    Popular Swedish actor Peter Stormare (“The Blacklist,” “Swedish Dicks”) is set to direct, produce and star in “American Runestone,” a documentary series shedding light on the role played by Viking explorers in Europe’s discovery of North America.

    The series’ first two seasons have been commissioned by the Viaplay streaming service run by Scandinavia’s NENT Group. The starting point of the series is 1898, when Swedish immigrant Olof Ohman claimed to have found a runestone in Minnesota left by Viking explorers more than two centuries before Christopher Columbus arrived in North America. “American Runestone” (working title) follows Stormare on a personal and often humorous journey through Minnesota to uncover the truth about the founding of America through meetings with scholars, skeptics and sensationalists. Stormare told Variety that “American Runestone” was a passion project. “The idea is not to rewrite history but to clarify it,” he said, adding that the documentary would also explore the peaceful relationship between Vikings and Native Americans.

    The actor said that stepping behind the camera to make a personal and meaningful series like “American Runestone” gives his “heart and soul some satisfaction.” The series will be unscripted for the most part and will follow the adventures of “two amateur archaeologists.”

    “Making Nordic history is what NENT Group is all about,” said Jakob Mejlhede Andersen, Viaplay’s CEO. “We operate the region’s leading streaming service and launch at least 20 originals every year….It’s fitting that Peter Stormare, one of Sweden’s most charismatic global exports, will tell this fascinating story of Scandinavians in America, which will be a compelling addition to Viaplay’s fast-growing documentary offering.”

    “American Runestone” is produced by Stormare, Nina Lund and Glenn Lund through Stormare’s production company, Viking Brothers. The first season of the series comprises six episodes.


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    From what I've read, the series is set to air on Scandinavian TV (Viaplay) in 2020.
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