Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 33

Thread: Gender Neutral Toilets: Yes or No?

  1. #11
    Hundhedensk "Friend of Germanics"
    Skadi Funding Member

    Hersir's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Last Online
    @
    Status
    Available
    Ethnicity
    Håløyg
    Ancestry
    Norway
    Subrace
    Nordid
    Y-DNA
    I2b1
    mtDNA
    J2a1a1b
    Country
    Norway Norway
    State
    South Trondelag South Trondelag
    Location
    Norway
    Gender
    Age
    32
    Zodiac Sign
    Pisces
    Family
    Single adult
    Politics
    Nationalist
    Posts
    6,008
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    861
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    637
    Thanked in
    287 Posts
    I don't support them and I'm glad we have male/female toilets at work.

  2. #12
    Freethinker "Friend of Germanics"
    Skadi Funding Member

    Thorburn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Last Online
    3 Weeks Ago @ 12:45 AM
    Ethnicity
    Germanic
    Subrace
    Europid
    Country
    Vinland Vinland
    Location
    Midgård
    Gender
    Family
    In a steady relationship
    Politics
    Reason, Freedom, Justice
    Religion
    Truth, Greatness, Beauty
    Posts
    1,380
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    84
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    218
    Thanked in
    64 Posts
    A truly politically correct toilet arrangement is composed of three toilet rooms:

    1. one for males,
    2. one for those who either are hermaphrodites, or who are transgender, or who do not wish to foreclose their stigmatizing sex, or who have a gender identity that differs from their sex, or who understand that gender is a social construct, because it is, in reality, a continuum, and nothing a person should be identified or prejudiced with,
    3. and one for females.

    This is a placeholder for a signature.

  3. #13
    Senior Administrator "Friend of Germanics"
    Skadi Funding Member

    Aeternitas's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Last Online
    @
    Ethnicity
    German
    Gender
    Family
    Married
    Politics
    Libertarian
    Religion
    Christian
    Posts
    1,569
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    44
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    381
    Thanked in
    131 Posts
    No, except for limited conditions e.g. where the restroom is single-stall and a second is not feasible due to space, etc. Particularly not in an age dominated by social and cultural clashes, not to mention considering the rise in sex crimes and similar incidents as of late. Gender-specific restrooms serve the instinctive, age-old purpose of retreating and having some privacy from the other gender. There is a certain logic in having anatomically separate ones, particularly since partial nudity, personal grooming and exposure of genital organs may be involved. Overtime they've also become places for gender-specific socialization, make-up sessions, clothe-adjusting, office break chatter, private phone calls and the like. Now Europeans have traditionally had a more relaxed approach towards nudity and we already have certain mixed-gender mediums like saunas and baths. Even in saunas though, changing rooms, showers and restrooms are divided by gender (in addition and there are age restrictions). Segregated restrooms provide for a certain sense of security, even in places like saunas, where people are otherwise fine with walking around full commando. There is often also a ladies sauna or bathing suit area available for those who are uncomfortable doing it. Conversation is frowned upon, and it's generally considered poor manners to have "wandering eyes". But not everyone understands the sauna culture - particularly since the European refugee crisis, there have been incidents in public baths where women were sexually assaulted, migrant men forced their ways into their bathroom stalls or harassed women at the door, what lead to restrictions or bans. Unlike saunas and baths, such regulations cannot really be imposed in public restrooms, since they are places one has to go when nature calls, there is no alternative. In countries like the US, where public nudity is more taboo, it would probably pose even more of an issue.

    The idea is popular with leftists, particularly students who want to do some acceptance "activism", e.g. 'Poop Equality'. They tend to believe it is largely a question of social conditioning - each gender has formed a specific habit of behaving as if gender dynamics were removed in those places and expecting them to actually be removed. Sadly though, the concept that according to left-wing, egalitarian fantasies looks like this:



    would in reality, sooner or later, turn out more like this:

    ,

    especially if implemented in schools and similar settings, where the processes of education and maturity are still underway, not to mention potentially turning into favorite grounds for sexual predators. There are actually documented cases where sexual predators used non-discrimination laws protecting gender identity to sexually assault women: The Threat to Women and Girls Presented by Bathroom Bills:
    Paul Witherspoon is a biological male who was convicted in 1990 for sexually assaulting one teenage girl and indecency involving sexual contact with another teenage girl. He is a registered sex offender. In 2012, however, Witherspoon was spotted wearing women’s clothing going into the women’s bathroom in Dallas, where he would have access to young girls. He was ticketed by a Dallas policeman. But Witherspoon claims to be “transgender,” and says that he has every right to use the bathroom with women and girls. He says that it is discriminatory to deny him the right to use the women’s facilities.
    Such incidents are bound to cause concern, particularly since statistics revealed that in most reported cases of women being sexually assaulted by transgender men, the incidents occurred in restrooms, locker rooms and other private spaces. Also, according to a study, post-SRS males have higher rates of criminality than the general public. Lumping everyone together in the same space would risk increasing the likability of such incidents, and become primary attractions for sexual predators and peeping Toms. Women who have been groped, harassed, or otherwise sexually assaulted in public are probably not interested in opening the door to a more private place for that to happen. And it's not just women; they are as intrusive, provocative and unnatural to the male gender, by removing urinals and pushing feminization campaigns that men should "do it sitting down" -- Sweden's Left Party to ban men from urinating while standing:
    Viggo Hansen, the Left Party official, who made the proposal, said he ultimately wants toilets at the council offices to be genderless and therefore want to see only the sitting toilets in council offices.
    A truly politically correct toilet arrangement however would rather include a third, "other" category, which, as Thorburn mentioned, could be used by people who don't identify with their biological sex (transgender, fluid, "non-binary", or any other of these supposed 70 extra genders). Some people have also suggested providing separate, "family" restrooms where the doors lock entirely and the full facility is dedicated to the individual(s) inside. Some malls, for example have this option already. But I fear that this wouldn't really appease and satisfy everyone's demands either, and it would not always be feasible due to cost or space reasons. Surely, in this day and age it's common to want to ensure service and accommodation to anyone and everyone. But one must also weigh the costs. Should acceptance mean that everyone else bend their ways and dump age-old traditions according to the will of a small percentage of the population? And where will it end? If mixed-gender restrooms, why not also locker rooms, showers, prisons, etc. etc.?

    To sum up, I think that the government and businesses in society owe it to the people to do their best to accommodate the widest array as possible while not sacrificing the very service in order to give anyone anything they demand. Particularly those conducting private businesses (restaurants, bars, cafes, malls) operate pragmatically. Because of this, a certain small percentage might fall through the cracks. That isn't always ideal, but not as sad as destroying a business or system in order to attempt to do everything to everyone.

  4. #14
    Senior Member Friedrich's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Last Online
    Thursday, June 1st, 2017 @ 10:07 AM
    Status
    Available
    Ethnicity
    German
    Ancestry
    Germany, Saarland
    Subrace
    Alpanid/Nordid
    Country
    South Africa South Africa
    State
    Cape Province Cape Province
    Gender
    Family
    Single adult
    Occupation
    Student
    Politics
    None, really-open minded.
    Religion
    Agnostic
    Posts
    453
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    6
    Thanked in
    5 Posts
    I had to giggle at Thorburn's pictures.

    If I saw that toilet I'd think dudes on the left, ladies on the right; and the center is for couples or a quickie.


    At the White House I'd think: Obama goes to the left, Hillary goes to the right, and the center is for Bill and Monica.

  5. #15
    Funding Member
    "Friend of Germanics"
    Skadi Funding Member

    Æmeric's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Last Online
    @
    Ethnicity
    Anglo-American
    Ancestry
    Britain, Ulster, Germany, America
    Subrace
    Dalofaelid+Baltid/Borreby
    Y-DNA
    R-Z19
    mtDNA
    U5a2c
    Country
    United States United States
    State
    Indiana Indiana
    Gender
    Age
    57
    Family
    Married
    Politics
    Anti-Obama
    Religion
    Conservative Protestantism
    Posts
    6,269
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    570
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    518
    Thanked in
    226 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Thorburn View Post
    A truly politically correct toilet arrangement is composed of three toilet rooms:

    1. one for males,
    2. one for those who either are hermaphrodites, or who are transgender, or who do not wish to foreclose their stigmatizing sex, or who have a gender identity that differs from their sex, or who understand that gender is a social construct, because it is, in reality, a continuum, and nothing a person should be identified or prejudiced with,
    3. and one for females.

    Wouldn't work. Separate but equal is discriminatory. And it would deprive the transsexuals of their right to make others feel uncomfortable.

    The whole point of the _____________(Insert name of protected class) rights movement is to impose on an unprotected class (Usually White, heterosexual males) in the name of righteous, social equality!

    Some establishments have what is called a "Family Restrom". Walmart has these, in the rear of the store. One for men, one for women and one for parents who don't want to take their little girl into the men's restroom or little boy into the women's restroom and for persons who need assistance, like the elderly or handicapped. But I don't think the transsexuals would be welcomed there.

  6. #16
    Proffessional Hickerbilly
    "Friend of Germanics"
    Skadi Funding Member

    SpearBrave's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Last Online
    @
    Status
    Available
    Ethnicity
    American of German decent
    Ancestry
    Bavaria/Switzerland
    Country
    Other Other
    State
    Kentucky Kentucky
    Location
    Central
    Gender
    Age
    53
    Zodiac Sign
    Libra
    Family
    Married
    Occupation
    Kunstschmiede
    Politics
    Self-Reliance
    Religion
    Asatru
    Posts
    4,581
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,794
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,308
    Thanked in
    608 Posts
    Hmm, an interesting thing I have been noticing for some years now is that most of the new chain service stations are going with just one restroom for both men and women. These are usually private rooms with a door for single use.

    While I don't think they are trying to be politically correct, I think they are just being cheap as they don't have to build and maintain two separate restrooms
    Life is like a fire hydrant- sometimes you help people put out their fires, but most of the time you just get peed on by every dog in the neighborhood.

  7. #17
    Funding Member
    "Friend of Germanics"
    Skadi Funding Member

    Æmeric's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Last Online
    @
    Ethnicity
    Anglo-American
    Ancestry
    Britain, Ulster, Germany, America
    Subrace
    Dalofaelid+Baltid/Borreby
    Y-DNA
    R-Z19
    mtDNA
    U5a2c
    Country
    United States United States
    State
    Indiana Indiana
    Gender
    Age
    57
    Family
    Married
    Politics
    Anti-Obama
    Religion
    Conservative Protestantism
    Posts
    6,269
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    570
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    518
    Thanked in
    226 Posts
    A lot of small establishments have separate restrooms for men and women that are one-person-at-a-time. Women don't want to use the same restrooms as men (even if not at the same time) and a lot of men don't want to use the same restroom as the women use. For various reasons I don't need to go into.

  8. #18
    Senior Member Friedrich's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Last Online
    Thursday, June 1st, 2017 @ 10:07 AM
    Status
    Available
    Ethnicity
    German
    Ancestry
    Germany, Saarland
    Subrace
    Alpanid/Nordid
    Country
    South Africa South Africa
    State
    Cape Province Cape Province
    Gender
    Family
    Single adult
    Occupation
    Student
    Politics
    None, really-open minded.
    Religion
    Agnostic
    Posts
    453
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    6
    Thanked in
    5 Posts
    Wow, that pic reminds me a bit of the rave clubs in the 1990s.

    In that sense it's probably more convenient for those idiots who hoover certain powders up their nostrils.

    Now they don't need to break up the party, because it always looked suspicious when a guy walked out of the ladies' room with eyes like saucers and rubbing his nose.

    It was a minor scandal when a German TV crew discovered that almost all the EU toilets in Brussels tested positive for cocaine.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4685693.stm

    Now we know how they manage to come up with the ruinous nonsense that they do.

  9. #19
    Senior Member Friedrich's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Last Online
    Thursday, June 1st, 2017 @ 10:07 AM
    Status
    Available
    Ethnicity
    German
    Ancestry
    Germany, Saarland
    Subrace
    Alpanid/Nordid
    Country
    South Africa South Africa
    State
    Cape Province Cape Province
    Gender
    Family
    Single adult
    Occupation
    Student
    Politics
    None, really-open minded.
    Religion
    Agnostic
    Posts
    453
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    6
    Thanked in
    5 Posts
    Flip, I just hope locker-rooms aren't next.

    It's bad enough navigating the sweaty socks and cheap deodorant of my brothers.

    If it's gonna be filled with clouds of perfume I'd need to take tablets against allergy.

  10. #20
    Moderator Leliana's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2016
    Last Online
    2 Days Ago @ 11:53 PM
    Ethnicity
    German
    Ancestry
    Aus Süddeutschland und Österreich
    Subrace
    Nordoalpine
    Country
    Germany Germany
    State
    Bavaria Bavaria
    Location
    An der blauen Donau
    Gender
    Age
    28
    Politics
    Patriotisch; Anti-Islam
    Religion
    Heidentum
    Posts
    452
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    535
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    296
    Thanked in
    114 Posts
    I've yet to see a gender neutral toilet and I'd not use them if there were any. That males and females have seperate restrooms has pretty good reasons... Olfactory and accustical ones, among others.

Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. The Futility of Gender-Neutral Parenting
    By Nachtengel in forum Parenthood & Family
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: Sunday, March 5th, 2017, 03:39 PM
  2. Wartime Bombings of Neutral Switzerland
    By Nachtengel in forum Modern Age & Contemporary History
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: Sunday, September 28th, 2008, 02:13 AM
  3. Replies: 2
    Last Post: Friday, February 2nd, 2007, 02:19 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •