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Thread: American Holocaust, 100,000,000 Dead, and the Truth of Native Americans Before the Genocide

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    It's nothing but anti-white propaganda meant to promote white genocide.


    While the Aztecs did have cities and a higher civilization (though they were still in the STONE AGE,) there is no way this civilization could have supported such a huge population.
    This fact combined with this fact below explains a lot

    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric
    There were likely millions of Amerindians living in what became the US in the early second millennium. There were some fairly large towns in the Mississippi Basin, prosperous communities (by early agricultural civilization standards) in the Southwest and Pacific Coast regions. But these civilizations (Mississippian, Anazasi, etc...) had collapsed by the time Columbus sailed in 1492. No one knows why but likely they couldn't with stand climate change - this was the same time Europe was going through a cooling period and dealing with the Plague.
    These creatures were primitives and not on equal standards of intelligence with Europeans or even their Asian counter parts.

    They did not have a written language, no metallurgical skills, poor means of agricultural production and not any form of real organizational skills to sustain themselves longer than a century of two in one place.

    They lived off the resources that were easy to get and moved on causing tribal wars at all times over hunting and gathering grounds.

    As far as the video goes it is pure anti-European trash media.

    Given all that I do like looking at some of art produced by the Northeastern tribes. But, that is mainly from a sense of just liking art in many forms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpearBrave View Post
    These creatures were primitives and not on equal standards of intelligence with Europeans or even their Asian counter parts.
    Ever looked at the lore of the injuns about the giants?

    http://www.native-languages.org/legends-giants.htm
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    The idea of an orchestrated genocide against the American Indians, especially at such a great number, first appeared around 1903 and was generally used by intellectuals, notably Jewish intellectuals to deeply instil a type of 'guilt complex' into the American population that would later carry on in White Americans sympathising for the Negro in the Civil Rights Movement. The idea of having committed genocide and/or other crimes has worked well in divorcing European Americans from their roots + making a cultureless cesspool at least out of typical American towns.

    This is very similar to the situation in post-war Germany where the idea of an orchestrated Holocaust happened to instil into Germans a type of 'guilt complex' where at any time before the 2006 World Cup I would regularly meet Germans that would be so ashamed about being German that they wouldn't even mention they were, or would only mention in conjunction to their being for the 'new multi-cultural Germany' simply because they'd been held down by that "never again" and "YOUR grandparents sinne too" type of blabber. Making people feel guilty is an idiot-proof way of pulling off any type of shady social experiment in the name of humanity and civil rights whilst people are too busy feeling guilty and making "never again" sure.

    That's also the reason why I always say the problem isn't the question of whether or not we killed or enslaved Jews, Indians or Negroes, it's what we make of it. Most Turks don't care about the fact their ancestors killed almost two million Armenians, and if you ask them directly they'll say "this was a different generation, a hundred years ago, what's it to do with me?" and don't let it take away from their cultural pride + their roots. That's the big deal. Rewriting official versions of history is something best left to historians after the winds have changed, it's also something that's not that important to the commonfolk. As far as the commonfolk is concerned, only that guilt-complex, that proverbial Canossagang is of issue.

    Naturally it's been known for a long time that in the US no such orchestrated genocide against the American Indians took place, but that A) far fewer died as there are now more of them than at any other period in hitory and that B) most died from non-immunity to European diseases that could not be known by colonists, and that C) the only major conflict that involved killing any number of Indians was the French and Indian war of 1754-63 and even then not on an orchestrated level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post

    Naturally it's been known for a long time that in the US no such orchestrated genocide against the American Indians took place, but that A) far fewer died as there are now more of them than at any other period in hitory and that B) most died from non-immunity to European diseases that could not be known by colonists, and that C) the only major conflict that involved killing any number of Indians was the French and Indian war of 1754-63 and even then not on an orchestrated level.
    Well, not exactly. There were other Indian wars such as the George Washington Indian wars, The Creek and Seminole wars in the Southern states, War of 1812 and of course the infamous Plains Indian wars in the Western states.

    I don't think is was a overall orchestrated genocide. Often these Indians sold their lands to the Europeans and when the Europeans asked them to leave the lands they no longer owned the Indians turned hostile. Even more so often and never talked about is how one tribal leader would sell lands claimed by a neighboring tribe.

    Another factor was Indians often agitated relations between England and the newly formed United States. This was the case with the war of 1812. The tribes thought the British would help them gain back lands they sold under treaty in the Midwestern States of Ohio and Indiana.

    While some might say the Indians had no concept of land ownership, treaties and the general geographic areas compared to that of the Europeans. It is really further proof that the myth of the "Noble Redman" is a farce. Sure, they had no understanding of European concepts mainly because they were not on the same mental levels as the Europeans.
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    They understood ownership very well. They defended it against other tribes and robbed it from other tribes.

    They had alliances (like the 5 nations) and were very well aware of what territory means.

    That they were naive peaceful people living in tune with nature, so to say the green ideal, is totally wrong. They had a warrior ideal and there was constantly fighting going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    That they were naive peaceful people living in tune with nature, so to say the green ideal, is totally wrong. They had a warrior ideal and there was constantly fighting going on.
    That is very true. In a hunter-gatherer society or a primeval agricultural society, stratification will eventually take place after a particular size of the group has been reached to ensure order & safety for the 'tribe' as it were.

    The smaller the number at which stratification towards the "big man" takes place, the more internally and externally aggressive the type is. For American Indians this number tended to be in the 30-50 bracket, whilst an estimate for Stone Age Europe would be 70-100.

    They were surely much more in tune with nature, as is obvious for a hunter-gatherer or basic agricultural society and isn't that difficult compared to a fully industrialised society. But they were also very much warlike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    That's more or less how I feel; the genocides of, say, commies against Slavs in Russia or muzzies against Indians in India (THIS is a story unto itself) are never mentioned because commies, muzzies, etc. are protected groups- whereas if it's: white, Christian, European, etc. it's automatically considered to be the guilty party.
    That's closer to the truth. This is weaponized propaganda. We have to be able to spot this stuff instantly in order to argue against it. Nothing makes me madder than seeing a monstrous libel like this perpetrated against my people for the sole purpose of demonizing us so that mindless social justice warriors will support OUR real genocide when the anti-white communists feel like their propaganda has permeated the zombie population enough to act.

    Get pissed off, folks. Affronteries of this magnitude DEMAND it, and an emotional, impassioned, articulate reaction is the only one leftists will understand and respond to. Spew these sorts of things back in their faces with fire when confronted with them.
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    Even during the Plains war eastern liberals were already forming the myth of white brutality against "The Noble Savage".

    The ivy leaguers like to ignore the fact that the Red ni**er was happily killing all the males and carrying off the women of a nearby tribe for thousands of years before the White man showed up.

    And that most of the wars were started by Indians themselves. Who constantly broke treaties and attacked White Settlements.

    Why are Whites so susceptible to self hatred?

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    I will say this, there was no active genocide to American Indians, ever. Yet there were episodes of anti-indian policy. Many colonists hated the Indians because of past feuds, honor killings which never ended until the natives were swept out by force or negotiated into settlement, whose numbers were so few that they possessed no threat to European suzerainty. Many were even allied to Europeans. Some Englishmen saw them more akin to certain Natives than the hated Catholic Frenchman. Their numbers were so few because they had no defense against the host of viruses and illnesses Europeans brought with them over the course of two centuries. Not to mention technological superiority. They dropped like flies, god knows how many. Areas which were once densely populated by natives were only a few decades later completely emptied, ready for colonization. This is the work of mother nature not malicious intent.

    I didn't watch the entire video cause I've heard it all before. Blatant anti-white rhetoric regurgitated by those elites in ivory media towers. Spinning the narrative of poor innocent Indians genocided by stupid dirty Europeans (and they were actually pretty dirty, i.e. unwashed, too). More times than were probably recorded to history were instances of unprovoked Indian aggression against Euros, the main instigator was the vast cultural and social sensibilities/nuances that either side failed to recognize or work with. The natives warred, tortured, and fought against each other for millennia, but their mode of war was to capture and trade into inter-tribal slavery. Europeans shot to kill. I respect native ways and beliefs, and the plight their own people are in, something we may be in as well come next century. But I won't apologize for my peoples acquisition of this fine land, something we acquired by blood, sweat and tears, through innumerable toils and endeavors. To hell with these childish notions of "stealing". If natives didn't conceive of "owning" land, how could they object to our secure of it? They fought, but ultimately they lost.

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