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    Norway's Divisions Resurface As Anders Breivik Verdict Nears

    Some, though, believe the recent success of the anti-immigrant Progress party has countered such enthusiasm. The party suffered significantly after 22 July, yet it has steadily clawed back support. One recent poll suggests the party has more than 22% support among voters.

    (I have snipped a lot out because the Guardian has no pretense of objectivity)



    Norway's divisions resurface as Anders Breivik verdict nears

    Mark Townsend in Oslo
    guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 22 August 2012

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    There is a growing consensus that Norway's feeling of national unity, symbolised by the huge "rose marches" in which hundreds of thousands marched in defiance after the attacks, has slowly ebbed away as the country becomes divided over the issues of rising immigration and cultural integration.

    Some experts believe that anti-immigrant antipathy has now slid back to levels that existed before Breivik, a far-right militant, slaughtered 77 people last year.

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    The eastern Oslo district of Grønland is Norway's most vividly multicultural neighbourhood. Here, among the tandoori takeaways, mosques and Vietnamese supermarkets, is where Norway's newest arrivals typically end up. Its skyline is dotted with cranes and scaffolding, a visual reminder that Oslo is Europe's fastest-growing city.

    Driving the growth is an influx of foreign workers. Norway's population rose 1.3% last year, itself one of the highest rates in Europe. Net immigration accounted for 71% of growth.

    But in an episode last month that would have been unthinkable during the scenes of national solidarity witnessed immediately after Breivik struck, the arrival of Roma refugees in Norway provoked a hateful backlash.

    Death threats surfaced on Norwegian online forums and a Roma camp was attacked with fireworks and stones. Three weeks ago, Siv Jensen, leader of the populist rightwing Progress party, of which Breivik was a former member, demanded that the Roma refugees be deported.

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    She said Oslo remained broadly split into two, the river Akerselva dividing a largely homogeneous population with the city's multicultural society in the east. Some residents in the west of Oslo, she said, would not cross the Akerselva.

    Jagland blames such attitudes on the continued "distortion" of the immigration debate during mainstream political discussions.

    He said Norway – which has more than £300bn in reserves from its oil fund – requires large numbers of foreign workers to keep expanding. "It needs to be explained how dependent we are on immigration."

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    Some, though, believe the recent success of the anti-immigrant Progress party has countered such enthusiasm. The party suffered significantly after 22 July, yet it has steadily clawed back support. One recent poll suggests the party has more than 22% support among voters.

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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...-verdict-nears

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    Why wants Norway 'to expand'? Aren't they happy with themselves?
    weel nich will dieken dej mot wieken

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    This drive for exponential growth is utterly destructive. Stability is the proper goal. Growth must inevitably come to an end somehow, or the resources of this planet will be spent, and war and starvation will result. Politicians and corporatists who advocate growth also advocate war and famine. Of course, they will profit from the growth themselves while buying insulation from the bloodshed and famine it will ultimately cause.
    Most people think as they are trained to think, and most people make a majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    Growth must inevitably come to an end somehow, or the resources of this planet will be spent, and war and starvation will result.
    Capitalism needs to constantly expand to make profits to pay back their debts.

    It seems that capitalism is going to collapse because oil is 3X the past price and they cant get more of it to lower prices. Higher costs mean lower or no profits, means bankruptcy.

    Hopefully starvation will come sooner rather than later. The establishment are utter fools. They may deserve to starve but Im not convinced that the nations are so foolish that they deserve to perish. Sometimes I have my doubts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Germania Magna View Post
    Capitalism needs to constantly expand to make profits to pay back their debts.

    It seems that capitalism is going to collapse because oil is 3X the past price and they cant get more of it to lower prices. Higher costs mean lower or no profits, means bankruptcy.

    Hopefully starvation will come sonner rather than later. The establishment are utter fools. They may deserve to starve but Im not convinced that the nations are so foolish that they deserve to perish. Sometimes I have my doubts.
    Starvation is coming but it has nothing to do with the establishment, the Carrying Capacity of Humans on Earth will soon be reached as groundwater is now being mined beyond sustainable yield to keep up with the growing demand for food.
    Life is a well of delight; but where the rabble also drink, there all fountains are poisoned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Germania Magna View Post
    Hopefully starvation will come sonner rather than later.
    I'd rather it waits until I have prepared a bit more...
    Denn das Schöne ist nichts
 als des Schrecklichen Anfang, den wir noch grade ertragen,
 und wir bewundern es so, weil es gelassen verschmäht, uns zu zerstören.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ablutive View Post
    I'd rather it waits until I have prepared a bit more...
    Siberian relocation?


    Most Norwegians think Breivik will appeal, so he can keep the circus going. The lawyers have already cost 80 million NOK, ~11 million Euro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    This drive for exponential growth is utterly destructive. Stability is the proper goal.
    Indeed. As Edward Abbey said: Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.
    Beware of gods who cannot laugh.

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    Well he is sane and got "at least 21 years" in jail.
    Denn das Schöne ist nichts
 als des Schrecklichen Anfang, den wir noch grade ertragen,
 und wir bewundern es so, weil es gelassen verschmäht, uns zu zerstören.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Germania Magna View Post
    Capitalism needs to constantly expand to make profits to pay back their debts.
    ...
    No, it doesn't. That's a specific problem of Keynesianism. But then Capitalism is one of those Buzzwords that is quite usually followed by straw men and other fallacies.

    Anyway this thread is about the Breivik case. There are other threads about. "Capitalism" or economic subjects. Please use the search function or establish a thread on its own.
    "And God proclaims as a first principle to the rulers, and above all else, that there is nothing which they should so anxiously guard, or of which they are to be such good guardians, as of the purity of the race. They should observe what elements mingle in their offspring;..." Plato Politeia

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