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    Prevention is always better than cure. If people were to eat properly cancer in our society would decrease massively.

    Remember as well, the medical industry is a business, don't trust that they want you to get better considering some hospitals make a few hundred thousand dollars a week just off of chemotherapy patients.

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    This sounds somewhat like the ketogenic diet, which I'm very skeptical of because our brains prefer carbs for energy. You don't want to go and interfere with your brain chemistry.
    How Eating More Cheese and Milk Could Make You Brainier
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodericus View Post
    Remember as well, the medical industry is a business, don't trust that they want you to get better considering some hospitals make a few hundred thousand dollars a week just off of chemotherapy patients.
    British hospitals don't, they are run by the government, but they still pay for chemo. If there was a better option, pharma reps not withstanding, NICE would not allow chemo just like they disallow expensive dementia drugs and other potentially useful but expensive treatments.
    Denn das Schöne ist nichts
 als des Schrecklichen Anfang, den wir noch grade ertragen,
 und wir bewundern es so, weil es gelassen verschmäht, uns zu zerstören.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ablutive View Post
    British hospitals don't, they are run by the government, but they still pay for chemo. If there was a better option, pharma reps not withstanding, NICE would not allow chemo just like they disallow expensive dementia drugs and other potentially useful but expensive treatments.
    So are our main hospitals. But the 'best' ones are private, usually a city has 1 very large hospital complex (children, women's, general) and a few smaller private ones. If you don't want to wait for hours to see someone (regardless of how minor), then you go to the private hospitals. Anyone who can afford to, does.

    Last time I checked the statistic, chemotherapy does nothing to help anyone anyway. The statistic was something like, the average chemotherapy patient only lives as long as the average cancer victim who refuses chemotherapy.

    I don't trust modern medicine for most things really, apart from obvious things like being physically harmed and needing treatment. Most of their treatments simply treat one thing and screw up another in the body, it's analogous humans and introducing a new species to a foreign environment, thus throwing everything out of wack, as far as I'm concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodericus View Post
    Last time I checked the statistic, chemotherapy does nothing to help anyone anyway. The statistic was something like, the average chemotherapy patient only lives as long as the average cancer victim who refuses chemotherapy.
    If you can find me these statistics on a website not devoted to promoting alternative therapies I would be genuinely interested to see.
    Denn das Schöne ist nichts
 als des Schrecklichen Anfang, den wir noch grade ertragen,
 und wir bewundern es so, weil es gelassen verschmäht, uns zu zerstören.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodericus View Post
    I don't trust modern medicine for most things really, apart from obvious things like being physically harmed and needing treatment. Most of their treatments simply treat one thing and screw up another in the body, it's analogous humans and introducing a new species to a foreign environment, thus throwing everything out of wack, as far as I'm concerned.
    Chemo does have lots of bad side effects. It's just that the alternative is, well, dying of cancer...

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    If you can find me these statistics on a website not devoted to promoting alternative therapies I would be genuinely interested to see.
    Don't hold your breath

    it's really incredible anyone could make such a claim, and even more still that (otherwise smart) people can accept it as truth just like that. Oh, well...

    I should add that I've worked (paper/data shuffling) on some chemo clinical trials. Most of the patients survived (and by most, I mean nearly all. But it does depend on the type of trial). I guess it was a miracle, or maybe they were eating magic beans on the side

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    I must say that chemotherapy has a very poor record within my own family.

    I think the score is something like 8/9 cancer deaths (that I can think of off-hand) and no cures whatsoever. My Dad just refused it outright, along with radiotherapy, and he actually lasted longer than most of the others.

    I wouldn't bother with it myself unless a lot of progress is made in the meantime. I don't rule this out but, as things stand, it doesn't fill me with much confidence

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    Quote Originally Posted by ablutive View Post
    If you can find me these statistics on a website not devoted to promoting alternative therapies I would be genuinely interested to see.
    Quote Originally Posted by Renwein View Post
    Chemo does have lots of bad side effects. It's just that the alternative is, well, dying of cancer...

    don't hold your breath

    it's really incredible anyone could make such a claim, and even more still that (otherwise smart) people can accept it as truth just like that. Oh, well...

    I should add that I've worked (paper/data shuffling) on some chemo clinical trials. Most of the patients survived (and by most, I mean nearly all. But it does depend on the type of trial). I guess it was a miracle, or maybe they were eating magic beans on the side
    This is funny. Precisely why I, myself, did not claim it to be true. 'Last time I checked' 'something like' indicates uncertainty and not to 'accept it as truth just like that'.

    Personally, I would rather die than go through any of that modern medicine crap. Too many close family members taken from me by medical fuck-ups related to 'curing' the cancer for me to bother trying it.

    My Grandmother died of secondary cancer years ago because of that. Gets lung cancer, so they put her through the chemo and radiation, remove part of her lung, then tell her she's cured. 4 weeks later she's feeling sick again, 'Guess what? We fucked up, sorry, you're probably gonna die', diagnosed with bone marrow cancer. Put through chemo, radiation therapy and all that again, barely allowed to visit her for months because transmitting a simple cold could kill her. Then she died anyway, and out of her last months the only time I was allowed to see her frequently was when she was on her death bed.

    So no, if, in the impossible event I ever suffer from cancer, I will never put myself or my family through that shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodericus View Post
    So no, if, in the impossible event I ever suffer from cancer, I will never put myself or my family through that shit.
    Surely different cancers have very different prospective outcomes? I would definitely weigh my options if I had a bad prognosis, but some cancers have fairly good prognoses nowadays don't they?
    Denn das Schöne ist nichts
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    Quote Originally Posted by ablutive View Post
    Surely different cancers have very different prospective outcomes? I would definitely weigh my options if I had a bad prognosis, but some cancers have fairly good prognoses nowadays don't they?
    Of course. I was speaking of the 'big' ones, like lungs, heart, brain, marrow etc. Cervical cancer and other types like that, I think you can just get a vaccination for. The trouble with the 'big' ones though, is that yeah, chemo/radiation may 'cure' it once, but I'm fairly certain the amount of patients who then die from 'complications' (pneumonia, influenza) after being 'cured', or being diagnosed with secondary cancer is very high.

    It's like claiming that all the plain trips back to Poland show that the Poles are all going back there permanently.

    But seriously, I think the best thing to do is to avoid ever having to become a part of that medical system, a 'work-in-progress'. They are always recommending drugs/treatments for things that just screw up something else down the line. Blood pressure pills, etc, always trying to get my family on those as the only 'safe' option for whatever ailments they have. Very satisfying when they couldn't understand why my grandfather's blood pressure dropped to normal levels after a few weeks.
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    here is a statistic



    interestingly they do not compare to a group which refused chemotherapie. they only say that with chemo how many people were alive after 5 years. it seems pretty depressive.

    I personally would avoid chemo and go for alternative solutions.

    To put massive amounts of poison into your body and then to believe it heals sounds pretty weird to me.
    weel nich will dieken dej mot wieken

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