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    German Citizenship?

    Hey all!

    So I heard a while back (from some of you guys here) that there is a process that allows on to "reclaim" ancestral citizenship if you are a descendant of a citizen.

    Here is the law:

    Section 14

    [General discretionary naturalization abroad]
    A foreigner who is ordinarily resident abroad may be naturalized subject to the other
    conditions of Sections 8 and 9 if ties with Germany exist which justify naturalization.


    Section 8
    [Discretionary naturalization]

    (1) A foreigner who is legally ordinarily resident in Germany may be naturalized upon
    application provided that he or she

    1. possesses legal capacity pursuant to Section 80, sub-section 1 of the
    Residence Act or has a legal representative,

    2. has not been sentenced for an unlawful act and is not subject to any court order
    imposing a measure of reform and prevention due to a lack of criminal capacity,

    3. has found a dwelling of his or her own or accommodation and

    4. is able to support himself or herself and his or her dependents.
    (2) The requirements stipulated in sub-section 1, sentence 1, nos. 2 and 4 may be
    waived on grounds of public interest or in order to avoid special hardship.



    Section 9
    [Naturalization of spouses or life partners of Germans]

    (1) Spouses or life partners of Germans should be naturalized in keeping with the
    requirements set out in Section 8, if

    1. they lose or give up their previous citizenship or a ground exists for accepting
    multiple nationality pursuant to Section 12 and

    2. it is ensured that they will conform to the German way of life, - 5 -
    unless they do not have sufficient command of the German language (Section 10
    sub-section 1, sentence 1, no. 6 and sub-section 4) and do not fulfill any condition
    that would justify an exception under Section 10, sub-section 6.

    (2) The provision pursuant to sub-section 1 shall also apply if naturalization is applied
    for within one year of the German spouse's death or of a ruling dissolving the
    marriage becoming final and the applicant is entitled to custody of a child issuing
    from the marriage who already possesses German citizenship.


    What I'm wondering is, being descendant from German citizens but living now in America (for several generations) do I have any way of using Section 14 to attain citizenship while continuing to live abroad?

    Thanks for your help!
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    Not unless you win the Nobel Prize or are a gifted athlete or artist or something so that they want to use you as a poster boy. If a naturalisation is considered to be in the national interest, then they can basically naturalise anybody anytime.

    If you speak german and your last german citizen ancestor left Germany after the founding of the second German Reich, then you don't necessarily have to wait the whole 8 years in Germany, you can get by with a lesser time, IF THEY WANT YOU. It is what we call a "kann Bestimmung". Something CAN be done but doesn't HAVE to. The official in charge can allow it if he or she feels it to be in the general interest. But there is no RIGHT to it.

    You would probably have to live in Germany for some time in any case.




    If you speak german, I would suggest you read

    http://www.info4alien.de/einbuergeru...ze/starvwv.htm

    beginning with 8.1.3.3

    I don't know where to find the information in english. Sorry.
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    That link came up ".url not found". Thanks for the info though anyway!
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    Quote Originally Posted by şeudiskaz View Post
    That link came up ".url not found". Thanks for the info though anyway!
    I went back and corrected the URL. Sorry and you're welcome.
    Das Recht und die Gerechtigkeit haben nur selten miteinander etwas zu tun. Höchstens machen sie winki winki wenn sie aneinander vorbei gehen.
    The Law and Justice have only seldom anything to do with one another. At the most they wave at each other when they pass one another on the street.
    Niemals vergessen. Niemals vergeben.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Schnadelbach View Post
    If you speak german and your last german citizen ancestor left Germany after the founding of the second German Reich, then you don't necessarily have to wait the whole 8 years in Germany, you can get by with a lesser time, IF THEY WANT YOU. It is what we call a "kann Bestimmung". Something CAN be done but doesn't HAVE to. The official in charge can allow it if he or she feels it to be in the general interest. But there is no RIGHT to it.

    You would probably have to live in Germany for some time in any case.
    Since he's not a Spätaussiedler from Eastern Europe, it's of little concern to him.
    If his last German ancestor migrated generations ago, he'll have to go the same way as everyone else and without having his permanent residence in Germany there's little to no chance anyway.

    There's only this I see. Translation by myself:
    § 14
    Ein Ausländer, der seinen gewöhnlichen Aufenthalt im Ausland hat, kann unter den sonstigen Voraussetzungen der §§ 8 und 9 eingebürgert werden, wenn Bindungen an Deutschland bestehen, die eine Einbürgerung rechtfertigen.
    "A foreigner, having his usual residence somewhere else than Germany, can be naturalised under the requirements lined out in §§ 8 and 9, if he has relations towards Germany justifying a naturalisation."

    I don't think your situation counts, şeudiskaz, sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juthunge View Post
    There's only this I see. Translations by myself:
    "A foreigner, having his usual residence somewhere else than Germany, can be naturalised under the requirements lined out in §§ 8 and 9, if he has relations towards Germany justifying a naturalisation."

    I don't think your situation counts, şeudiskaz, sorry.
    Yes I see. Thank you.

    That translation is a little different from some of the other ones I've seen, and yours seems like it makes a bit more sense in context.

    Schade! I wanted German citizenship. I guess I have to get back to trying to convince my wife to just move there.

    Thanks Tom!
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    Well here in England just about anyone can get in and usually be allowed to stay here. All you need to do is go to France, notably in the Calais/Dunkirk area and hitch a ride in a truck or other means of conveyance [well hidden] and once on English soil claim asylum. If that doesn't work just shout Human rights and your right to a normal Family life etc, and they'll bend over backwards to accommodate you. Once citizenship is granted you can normally bring in your extended Family, that's why we have so many Paki's in the UK. PS. and don't get me started on Eastern Europeans, most of which can come here legally as they are members of the EU.
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