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    German Automatic Rifle Technology

    Hello, Skadi!

    There are some remarkable German technology milestones often neglected or used unauthorized to evoke the impression of having invented or developed mindblowing new technology that was already "Made in Germany" on a much earlier stage.
    In this connection I would like to remind on the StG44 technique showing up in a "re-designed" way in the AK47 family assault rifles 3 years later.

    Today, let's have a look on said StG44 - cartridge 8x33 IS (that is the original designation).

    When there was a need for increasing the firepower of the Infantry or related forces in the Wehrmacht there were several attempts being made as early as 1937 to construct a new semi- or even full-auto (bursts) rifle using the introduced 8x57 IS cartridge (FG42, G43, Walther Automat,etc.). All these attempts suffered from heavy recoil of the 8mm-Mauser round thus loosing controllability and fast return on target after each shot/burst fired. Besides, the powerful 8mm round designed intentionally for hitting targets hard on a 2000 m basis (2185 yds) was a triple waste of resources in bullet weight, case-volume and powder-weight.

    A cartridge was to be constructed having the following specifications:
    - quickly be done (6 month time)
    - penetrate steel-helmets at 800 m ( Thickness 1,5mm @ 1600N/mm² tensile strength)
    - muzzle energy about 1600+ Joules (Nm)
    - relatively low pressure in the case
    - fast and easy feasibility


    Typical for german bureaucracy these postulates were released and called for tenders within the german industry.
    Several companies set to work immediately and the fastet one succeeded in getting the contract after evaluation of the competitors for it used the already introduced cartridge-making technique on a very big scale:

    The new cartridge could be made on the existent production lines just by adjusting the case-length by 24mm making it necessary for only 1 (one) new die with a slightly stronger resizing taper to compensate for the shorter case length.
    - caliber was kept (7,92 - 8,21mm)
    - same tools for Berdan-type ignition
    - same extractor groove
    - same neck-dia.
    - same neck-angle (30°)
    - same inside processing tools

    Ballistic performance
    Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
    8.1 g (125 gr) Ball 685 m/s (2,250 ft/s) 1,909 J (1,408 ft·lbf)
    Test barrel length: 419 mm
    Source(s): "Cartridges of the World"

    Thus a new ammunition was created that was needed most badly on all fronts.

    Sorry my picture upload doesn't work with Skadi,

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    Yeah, yeah. The weapon which ought to be discussed in the light of current events is the Sturm Gewehr 44. This was the first assault rifle. It was the father of the AK-47 and the grandfather of the AR-15. Only a handful of Sturm Gewehr 44s exist today.

    The grandson, the AR-15 is "America's rifle" and can be found everywhere in my country (including my closet). It is the instrument by which we Americans retain what freedom we have left. Every citizen, everywhere ought to own a gun which scares his government. That is the only way he will retain any freedom at all.

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    What I'd like to know is how are the Germans these days with creating weapon tech? Of course Germanic countries in general are pretty nifty when it comes to this kind of thing, Americans especially, but how does modern day Germany compare in the scale of things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by renownedwolf View Post
    What I'd like to know is how are the Germans these days with creating weapon tech? Of course Germanic countries in general are pretty nifty when it comes to this kind of thing, Americans especially, but how does modern day Germany compare in the scale of things?
    Hk is a prime example of modern German technology.

    Then of course you might have heard of the Glock pistols. While some would say Glock is Austrian, but I say Austria should be part of Germany.

    In the sporting field Germany exceeds all. The Blaser R8 is awesome! The straight pull bolt is true innovation, not to mention inter changeable barrels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpearBrave View Post
    Hk is a prime example of modern German technology.

    Then of course you might have heard of the Glock pistols. While some would say Glock is Austrian, but I say Austria should be part of Germany.

    In the sporting field Germany exceeds all. The Blaser R8 is awesome! The straight pull bolt is true innovation, not to mention inter changeable barrels.

    Ultimate Guide To The Blaser R8
    Germany has always made the best cars and guns. The US military buys cannons for its tanks from German sources. HK, as SpearBrave points out, have a truly hi-tech assault rifle which has and is under consideration for purchase by the US government.

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