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    Is The French Nobility Still Of Frankish Origin?

    I've wondered wether the majority of the french nobility is still of Frankish origin?

    For instance, the former royal house of Bourbon can directly be traced back to Hugo Capet († 996), who was a descendant of the Frankish Robertians.

    But maybe there was more alternation in the ducal and comital families, particularly under the rule of Napoleon. (Napolenic nobility)

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    Excellent question. As someone with more than a passing interest in medieval European history, I'd like to know the answer to this to myself.

    The House of Valois was a cadet branch of the House of Capet, so the bloodline is there and intact from the Capetians for the Valois dynasty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steinadler View Post
    But maybe there was more alternation in the ducal and comital families, particularly under the rule of Napoleon. (Napolenic nobility)
    Not just under the Bonapartes, under the absolute monarchy of the Bourbons titles where sold in an effort to fill the royal coffers without a need to call the national assembly to approve of new taxes. Also there are stories of members of the high French nobility ennobling people to pay for the bills, since the family coffers got depleted thanks to the excessive live style demands of life at the capitol.

    So I would say the chance is the highest for members of the surviving blood and sword nobility and lower for the later letter-nobility. However that would also require some proper genealogical research to confirm this hypotheses.
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    "French" nobility is of Jewish origins nowadays
    (cf. Wertheimer, Dassault, Dreyfus, Rothschild, etc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steinadler View Post
    For instance, the former royal house of Bourbon can directly be traced back to Hugo Capet († 996), who was a descendant of the Frankish Robertians.

    I would be not sure that this paternal lineage would be full of Germanic Frankish woman as it is a paternal lineage. The fact that they lost own Germanic lanugage show that they were so few and probably they mixed the local ones. Side by side some portrayal, f.e. the Très Riches Heures du Duc de Berry in the late Middle Ages shows light pigmented females with blond hair what are not so typical French features. Moreover it would be an empty habit of portrayals at this time, however the fashion of portrayal of blond hair in medieval Frence or in medieval Italy might be found on the female ideal of the one-time Germanic rulers. Well, it would be a great work to research all the sculptures, pictures, description and genealogies from the Middle Ages that we can see how dissappeard the Germanic nobility of Frence.

    Light pigemented individuals on medieval portrayals from non-Germanic regions:
    Limbourg brothers — Les Très Riches Heures du duc de Berry - Avril:


    Italian: Fra Angelico — The Annunciation:

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