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    What are Elves, Trolls and Dwarves?

    Do you see them as real beings/ as spirits or something else? What is the general view on them?

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    I don't view them as real beings. Trolls come from Scandinavia and we have a lot of mountains and dark areas. Many mountains are connected to trolls, and it's said that some of them comes from trolls who didn't hide when the sun came up.

    Fairy tales were often made to scare and teach children to stay away from strangers, the forest at night and so on. (Red Riding Hood for example). I think the stories originate from that. If you walk in the forest at evening or night and use your imagination you can see trees resembling trolls from the Kittelsen art.


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    Trolls do exist, I've seen them.
    Trolls.

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    Thank you Hersir thats pretty much what I thought.

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    To believe means that you don't know. Given that fact....

    I believe in faeries. I honestly believe in faeries. I do not see why the trolls and elves cannot be a variant or relatives of the faeriefolk.

    Or maybe the trolls are relatives or the same as Sasquatch. I do not believe in Sasquatch but I don't KNOW. He/they might just be real. Maybe somebody once saw a european Sasquatch and that is where the troll legend originated.
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    I've repeatedly seen and to some extent interacted with leprechauns during the handful or so occasions when I've consumed magic mushrooms. During these experiences the leprechauns or Fairies seem very real indeed, and possessed of a fairly savage sense of humour.

    However I'm not one who believes that that kind of experience proves that they in fact are real, at least not in the same concrete way that we are. In my opinion they exist only in the sense that they are a shared subconscious metaphor for something, perhaps for the forces of nature or existence itself, or for ourselves or something else again.

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    My understanding is that Elves (Alfar) live in Alfheimr, another world separate from Midgardr, though they can interact with humans both in path workings and in Midgardr. From the lore, they seem to range from little more than human to almost god-like, and it seems to me, that the Alfar are the male ancestors (counterpart to the Disir), who's spirits are advanced beyond that of regular humans, and that this advancement and then rebirths as Alfar, rather than human, results in the disparity of power within the Alfar.

    IIRC, "troll" was originally a synonym for the Jotnar, or giants. Though some were huge, some monster-like, some were also beautiful, and not much larger than human. The separating feature between the Jotnar (akin to the Greek Titans) and the gods, is that the Jotnar are more primal and in many ways primitive, while the gods are more spiritual and advanced in thought and culture. The gods and jotnar intermarried,as well as gods and humans (I don't recall if jotnar and humans intermarried), so they might nor be so recognizable if one happened across one.

    Likewise dwarves are the Svartalfs, or dark elves. Snorri says in the Prose Edda that as the light elves are bright, so the dark elves are blacker than pitch. Though they seem more hostile than light elves, they also do some beneficial things, such as hold up the dome of the sky Norðri, Suðri, Austri and Vestri ("Northern, Southern, Eastern and Western"). Then there's the four dwarves that Fryeja spent a night each with for her necklace Brisingamen, and the dwarves that forged the cord that binds Fenris. They live in Svartalfheimr, another world separate from Midgardr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Schnadelbach View Post

    Or maybe the trolls are relatives or the same as Sasquatch. I do not believe in Sasquatch but I don't KNOW. He/they might just be real. Maybe somebody once saw a european Sasquatch and that is where the troll legend originated.
    I have often thought this myself. I live in Montana a very mountainous (in the west) State and there are many Sasquatch sightings. It would not surprise me if they were the origin of the Troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hersir View Post
    If you walk in the forest at evening or night and use your imagination you can see trees resembling trolls from the Kittelsen art.

    Indeed, at night in the forest alone can so catalize the individual's fantasy.



    I suppoze that the Dwarves might be small reduced Cromagnonids in the Alps. In the past the Cromangonid people there was extreme short, and the roundish neotenic dwarf-like traits have been common today too. Moreover the dwarves were famous blacksmiths and South-Germany was a centre of the metal working. They lived in the Mountain underground what may refer to the ancient mining in the Alps.

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    I believe they all exist, one popular opinion in the US is that mass conscious belief in a select entity will cause it to spawn for a select period of time. This would explain so many of the legends of various creates / spirits / etc. around the world which come and go with time.
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