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    Scottish People's DNA Study Could 'Rewrite History'

    A large scale study of Scottish people's DNA is threatening to "rewrite the nation's history", according to author Alistair Moffat.

    Scotland, he told the Edinburgh international book festival, despite a long-held belief that its ethnic make-up was largely Scots, Celtic, Viking and Irish, was in fact "one of the most diverse nations on earth".

    "The explanation is simple. We are a people on the edge of beyond; on the end of a massive continent. Peoples were migrating northwest; and they couldn't get any further. We have collected them."

    He and his colleagues have found West African, Arabian, south-east Asian and Siberian ancestry in Scotland. "The West African ancestry mostly originates in the 18th century, so it is almost certainly to do with the slave trade," he said.

    David Lammy, MP for Tottenham, whose immediate ancestors are from the Caribbean, also revealed at the festival this week that DNA analysis had shown he has Orcadian ancestry – also likely to relate to British involvement in the Atlantic slave trade.

    One per cent of all Scottish men, said Moffat, have Berber ancestry – why, he says, remains a mystery, though he believes that the penetration of people from the medieval caliphate of Cordoba "must have been immensely important". Moffat said his colleagues had also discovered DNA originating from Roman-period Illyria, the area occupied by modern Croatia, which may relate to Roman occupation of lowland Scotland.

    Many of Moffat and Wilson's findings are laid out in their book The Scots: A Genetic Journey. But research continues apace, and most recent finding suggests that porridge has been a crucial factor in the nation's early history, Moffat said.

    Until recently, he said, it had been believed that farming arrived incrementally in Scotland, around 3,000 years ago, by a process of slow and gradual adoption, by women, of new techniques. But their recent DNA research suggests something quite different, he said: that it arrived quickly via young male immigrants from what is now Germany.

    These young men, he said, brought brand-new techniques with them, planting grass-derived crops that could be turned into porridge and fed to young children. This new improved food production reduced the period, argued Moffat, that the hunter-gatherer mothers had to devote to breast-feeding, and thus increased their fertility. This led to a population explosion, he said, laying the seeds of a recognisable society in northern Britain. "It is a revelation. Porridge, and I'm not joking about this, is absolutely crucial to our history."

    Not every analysis of DNA has delivered welcome results. DNA analysis on Moffat himself – a proud Scottish Borders man – showed that his ancestry was English. "We don't offer counselling for that," he said.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/au...-study-project

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    Yeah, of course we are all immigrants. "Being Scottish/Norwegian/etc is just a social construct and we have no real culture"

    The war on our identities continues.

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    That's right. The one-worlders are at it again. And trust The Guardian to be reporting it. Scotland as an ethnic melting pot is garbage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermóšr View Post
    Until recently, he said, it had been believed that farming arrived incrementally in Scotland, around 3,000 years ago, by a process of slow and gradual adoption, by women, of new techniques. But their recent DNA research suggests something quite different, he said: that it arrived quickly via young male immigrants from what is now Germany.

    These young men, he said, brought brand-new techniques with them, planting grass-derived crops that could be turned into porridge and fed to young children. This new improved food production reduced the period, argued Moffat, that the hunter-gatherer mothers had to devote to breast-feeding, and thus increased their fertility. This led to a population explosion, he said, laying the seeds of a recognisable society in northern Britain. "It is a revelation. Porridge, and I'm not joking about this, is absolutely crucial to our history."
    This part is most interesting to me. The stuff about blah blah lots of african dna etc is just put there at the beginning to distract people from the implications of this section.
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    What is it with people taking European history, culture, DNA and everything else, and trying to put non-whites in it?


    There is always someone trying to make a non-white incredibly important in Europe.
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    Even though my ancestry is English, Germany is my favorite country.

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    One per cent of all Scottish men, said Moffat, have Berber ancestry – why, he says, remains a mystery, though he believes that the penetration of people from the medieval caliphate of Cordoba "must have been immensely important". Moffat said his colleagues had also discovered DNA originating from Roman-period Illyria, the area occupied by modern Croatia, which may relate to Roman occupation of lowland Scotland.
    Why? Because he's pulling it out of his ass, that's why!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingOvGermania View Post
    Why? Because he's pulling it out of his ass, that's why!
    Or he's just mistaken in his attribution. Perhaps some of the Berber populations do indeed have Scottish ancestry. Or worse, the Berbers, who have a strong White component have a common origin with some Europeans.

    All in all one can also see that a less then 5% part of the gene pool is brushed into prominence to imply that "we are all mixed, and further mixing won't hurt our societies".
    "And God proclaims as a first principle to the rulers, and above all else, that there is nothing which they should so anxiously guard, or of which they are to be such good guardians, as of the purity of the race. They should observe what elements mingle in their offspring;..." Plato Politeia

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    Scotland, he told the Edinburgh international book festival, despite a long-held belief that its ethnic make-up was largely Scots, Celtic, Viking and Irish, was in fact "one of the most diverse nations on earth".
    If the Scots were one of the most diverse nations on earth, they'd look... like one of the most diverse nations on earth. They don't. End of.

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    The problem with these types of "studies" is rather simple. For decades some in the scientific community (most especially anthropologist) have been brow beating their students that there is no such think as race at the genetic level and they try to use/misuse any bit of evidence they can bend to fit their preconceived notions of mc/pc crap. Well the fact of the matter is that the Scots may not be pure Germanic, They may not be pure Celtic, they are not pure paleolithic. They are an amalgam of the three over a long period that happened long ago. They are thus like the rest of northern Europe in that they have a variety of European types in them and they are of Germanic/ Celto-Germanic culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ęgir View Post
    The problem with these types of "studies" is rather simple. For decades some in the scientific community (most especially anthropologist) have been brow beating their students that there is no such think as race at the genetic level and they try to use/misuse any bit of evidence they can bend to fit their preconceived notions of mc/pc crap. Well the fact of the matter is that the Scots may not be pure Germanic, They may not be pure Celtic, they are not pure paleolithic. They are an amalgam of the three over a long period that happened long ago. They are thus like the rest of northern Europe in that they have a variety of European types in them and they are of Germanic/ Celto-Germanic culture.
    Would say that hits the nail. I should however add that there are quite some mental acrobatics involved in the practice of race denial. I think we do have some good threads on that already, but one may quote.

    Concerning Scots, I perceived them as having mainly cromagnid traits in them with some nordid and atlantid perhaps. Now isn't that a surprise. Unfortunately this would be far to Germanic, still far to European. That's why there is such an obsession to find more exotic traits in them. My own prediction is that one find in any large enough sample group of Europeans (or Europids) 95% certainly expected traits, with the other five percent being rather rare types. Of course the distribution may differ to a large extent among European populations.
    "And God proclaims as a first principle to the rulers, and above all else, that there is nothing which they should so anxiously guard, or of which they are to be such good guardians, as of the purity of the race. They should observe what elements mingle in their offspring;..." Plato Politeia

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