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    James Knox Polk, one of America's greatest Presidents, got the US the Pacific Coast including California and the Northewest, and kept all of his electoral promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    I agree with this choice. And although Goldwater was a half-Jew, he led what seemed to be the most viable and sincere right-wing movement in America for many years. Unfortunately he is probably rolling in his grave over the current situation in the American southwest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slivers View Post
    I agree with this choice. And although Goldwater was a half-Jew, he led what seemed to be the most viable and sincere right-wing movement in America for many years. Unfortunately he is probably rolling in his grave over the current situation in the American southwest.
    I didn't know this. But Goldwater was the icon of American conservatism for a number of years and the inspiration for Reagan, who is my other hero of American conservatism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    I didn't know this. But Goldwater was the icon of American conservatism for a number of years and the inspiration for Reagan, who is my other hero of American conservatism.
    This is why any "ism" taken alone is no basis for a government or a nation.

    Any movement or religion or nation that does not effectively base itself upon the blood can be infiltrated and perverted by those from outside the folk body, even if this person is totally innocent of any conscious conspiracy to do so. People bring their own baggage, mental, intellectual, and spiritual, with them in every case. In Russia, which has struggled with a large Jewish population for centuries, the leaders of the Orthodox Church had to refuse conversion to any Jew, because when they allowed this, the Jews would instantly start trying to change the church traditions to suit themselves. This is simply their nature... they will always seek to impose themselves and their values upon us, and those values are too often in direct opposition to our own.

    Goldwater would have inevitably brought some of this baggage with him to office. There's just no way he could not have. An open society within must be largely closed to those without, especially to positions of influence, or else the whole thing will inevitably crumble.
    Most people think as they are trained to think, and most people make a majority.

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    Oswald Mosley

    Sir Oswald Ernald Mosley, 6th Baronet, of Ancoats, (16 November 1896 – 3 December 1980) was an English politician, known principally as the founder of the British Union of Fascists. He was a Member of Parliament for Harrow from 1918 to 1924 and for Smethwick from 1926 to 1931, as well as Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster in the Labour Government of 1929–1931.


    Léon Degrelle

    Léon Joseph Marie Ignace Degrelle (15 June 1906 – 31 March 1994) was a Walloon Belgian politician, who founded Rexism (a fascist political movement in the first half of the 20th century in Belgium) and later joined the Waffen SS (becoming a leader of its Walloon contingent) which were front-line troops in the fight against the Soviet Union.


    Sven Olov Lindholm

    Sven Olov Lindholm (8 February 1903 – 26 April 1998) was a fascist Swedish politician of the 1920s to the 1950s and he was active in various Swedish right-wing organizations. Lindholm joined the Swedish army at an early age, rising to the rank of Sergeant. Stationed in Stockholm, he was initially drawn to Elof Eriksson, a proto-fascist who emphasised anti-communism and anti-Semitism. He soon joined Konrad Hallgren in setting up the Sveriges Fascistiska Folkparti (Swedish Fascist People's Party) – which became known as Sveriges Fascistiska Kamporganisation (Swedish Fascist Cause Organization) – serving as organizer and then leader of the group.


    Vidkun Quisling

    Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonssøn Quisling (18 July 1887 – 24 October 1945) was a Norwegian politician. From 1942 to 1945 he served as Minister-President and his government was dominated by ministers from the fascist party Nasjonal Samling, the party he founded in 1933.


    Anton Mussert

    Anton Adriaan Mussert (11 May1894 – 7 May 1946) was one of the founders of the National Socialist Movement (NSB) in the Netherlands and its de jure leader. As such, he was the most prominent national socialist in the Netherlands before and during the Second World War.


    Ante Pavelić

    Ante Pavelić (14 July 1889 – 28 December 1959) was a Croatian fascist leader and revolutionary. He ruled the Independent State of Croatia and he was founder and leader of the Croatian fascist movement Ustaše.

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    King Canute:


    King Canute attempts to stop the waves...

    Canute the Great to his friends, this Danish king became king of England in 1017. Canute is largely forgotten as an English king and is remembered simply for attempting to hold back the tide. This has forever branded him as an idiot, for obvious reasons.

    In actually, Canute the Great was indeed a mighty and wise king. At the height of his power he ruled Denmark, Norway and England, and commanded loyalty from areas of Sweden and Ireland and Scotland. This made him one of the most powerful men in medieval Europe. Apparently the anecdote about holding back the tide is true. Canute never really thought that he could command the forces of nature, in fact he was making a point, saying that no king is as powerful as God. After proclaiming his Christianity in this way, Canute placed his crown atop a crucifix and never wore it again.

    A king who is a humble and wise leader is always good in my books.

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    Oliver Cromwell:



    Oliver Cromwell was a puritanical dictator who ruled England following his victory in the English Civil War. He created the English Commonwealth after deposing the king. Whilst the king had been overthrown for disbanding parliament and imposing his own absolute monarchy, Cromwell, as Lord Protector of England did the same. He famously dissolved the elected parliament claiming them to be corrupt and appointed his own ‘council of saints’ in their place. Whilst he is remembered as a great figure in English democracy it could be said that he was more of a tyrannical puritan than a republican hero.

    In Ireland Cromwell is remembered as a butcher and a conqueror following his campaigns to bring the country under English control. He is accused of a number of atrocities against the Irish people, in particular the Catholics, which are often described as genocidal.

    On the night of Cromwell’s death, in 1658, a great storm ravaged England. It was said that this was the Devil coming to take his soul. That’s hardly the epitaph of a fair and Godly man.

    Richard the Lionheart:



    The Coeur de Lion is widely considered to be one of the greatest ever English kings. Not bad to say he was actually French. Of course Richard was a king of England, there’s no denying that. He was one of the great Plantagenet Kings that ruled England and much of France simultaneously. But what is not commonly known is that he stole the throne from his father, in a war of revolt involving his many upstart brothers. After going to such lengths to secure the throne, Richard actually thought very little of England (seeing it as the seat of his title but not of his power) and visited very rarely, preferring to spend his time in his French territories or fighting overseas in the Crusades.

    Richard’s role in the Crusades, defending his family’s kingdom in Jerusalem from the Muslim armies of Saladin, is what earned him a place in the history books. He is often portrayed as a paladin, a heroic Christian warrior. This image was largely helped by his own ego, comparing himself to the legendary King Arthur, a mistake that the Victorians would later repeat. Richard’s religious intolerance was not limited to his campaigns in the east, however. At home he was just as vicious, instigating an early holocaust of London’s Jewish population. Thousands of Jews were flogged, beaten to death or burned alive. Others were forcibly baptized. Richard then went on to revoke a decree protecting the Jews, allowing a second massacre in York.

    For all his skills as a crusader, Richard was only partially successful in his quest. On his return journey he was also captured, not by the great armies of Saladin, but by the Duke of Austria who accused Richard of murder of his cousin. Richard must have known that the Austrians were out to get him (perhaps he had a guilty conscience) because he attempted to disguise himself as an ordinary knight. Legend tells that Richard disguised himself as a peasant but in reality he was far too vain to be seen without his expensive jewelry. In the end it was his taste for roast chicken (then an expensive delicacy) that gave him away. Richard’s territories were then subject to outrageously high taxes as his mother sought to raise the ransom money and his brother John, in England, attempted to raise enough money to persuade Richard’s captors to keep him locked up.

    When Richard eventually did return he spent several years suppressing the revolts that had begun during his captivity. It is believed that this was done through campaigns of incredible violence. In one account, Richard even reduced himself to looting; taking a hoard of Roman gold that had been found by a local peasant.

    At least on his deathbed Richard finally found kindness. He had the archer that had shot him brought to his side and personally forgave him. However, as soon as Richard died, the archer was taken outside and flogged to death.

    Richard the lion heart is remembered as a Christian hero and a great, iconic English king. If anything, he was a violent egomaniac who struggled to keep order in his realm at the best of times.

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