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Thread: The Volkliste and the Volksdeutsche of Poland

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    @ MCP3

    thank you so much for taking the time to write that ! great information.

    Was it uncommon for Germans in the Poznan/Gniezno (greater poland area) to be catholic?

    That is very true. After the war it was easy for my grandfathers family to say they are Polish (ect. where they are born, names, language ect) and after the war they were labeled as traitors by the Polish even some of their family members cut ties with them that's why they never moved back to Poland.


    My grandfathers mother was treated well by the Germans much better then how the ethnic Poles were treated. When her husband died on the Russian front she fled (Poznan) to go to Germany (Reich) voluntarily.
    After the war until her death in the 1990's she was always Pro German (would always sing German songs ect).

    would that suggest she has an ethnic German connection also? If she was a pure pole wouldn't she be treated like all the other poles? or does having a volksdeutsche husband change that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by prussianwolf View Post
    @ MCP3

    thank you so much for taking the time to write that ! great information.

    Was it uncommon for Germans in the Poznan/Gniezno (greater poland area) to be catholic?

    That is very true. After the war it was easy for my grandfathers family to say they are Polish (ect. where they are born, names, language ect) and after the war they were labeled as traitors by the Polish even some of their family members cut ties with them that's why they never moved back to Poland.


    My grandfathers mother was treated well by the Germans much better then how the ethnic Poles were treated. When her husband died on the Russian front she fled (Poznan) to go to Germany (Reich) voluntarily.
    After the war until her death in the 1990's she was always Pro German (would always sing German songs ect).

    would that suggest she has an ethnic German connection also? If she was a pure pole wouldn't she be treated like all the other poles? or does having a volksdeutsche husband change that?
    No, she may well be 100% Kashub for example. All of the smaller tribes (Kashubs, Masures, Sorbs) were loyal to Germany, even if these people are themselves mixes (German-Slavs) and pre-dominant Slavic. Stated reason often was: "Polish economy" (stands for disorder and corruption) and general intolerance. This is also the reason why the Czechs want anything but a Union with Poland. Because they the Czechs know that it is their turn to care for some income in that Union, why the Poles would dominate administration and military and engage in nationalist pipe-dreams of resurrecting the Polish Empire of the Renaissance.

    One "Silesian" poster here on Skadi confirmed that, saying that todays Silesians tend to be pro-German or pro-Czech and generally fear "Galician" economy and administration.

    There was zero problem with the Sorbes or Masures (both German citizen) in the two World Wars. None so called "pan-slavist"-propaganda issued by Moscow or Warsaw ever rooted. Why not ? Because both know what the rule of Warsaw or Moscow really means, when it comes liberty or economy. Or just safety of home and property.

    So no, your mom doesn't need to be ethnic German to prefer to live in a German environment. 800.000 Ukrainian/Belarussian/Russian Ostarbeiters/POWs did not want back into Stalin's USSR 1945 either, they preferred to stay in (devastated-)Germany and begged on the Western Allies to allow them to stay, which was denied to them.
    They were forcefully repatriated (Yalta agreement), and some of them machine gunned right behind the Iron Curtain for "treason" and "collaboration".

    See Operation Keelhaul

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    My grandfather was a Silesian (Volksdeutsche) but his wife was Belarusian. This meant that that they were treated better than non-Germans and the Germans came through the village without hurting my family, peacefully. Pretty interesting, I don't think that everyone is purely anything. Pretty sure most East Germans have Slavic ancestors, just saying.

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    Does anyone know about the German enclave in eastern Poland shown on this map - probably now west Ukraine?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Englisc View Post
    Does anyone know about the German enclave in eastern Poland shown on this map - probably now west Ukraine?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walddeutsche
    Lieber tot als Sklave!

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