Rus Sea Raids

[Halldorr]

Some new info on the Rus from Empires and Barbarians.

The Rus, Scandinavian river traders, were much more warlike than previously thought. They traded in furs and slaves. Slave trading was a nasty business, going into a village or town and "taking" peoples. The Rus apparently excelled at this. They mainly traded in Slavic slave girls.
They also conducted sea raids on the heavily fortified Persian coastal towns on the south coast of the Caspian sea, circa 880.
The most amazing raids they did were on the city of Constantinople on the Black sea, circa 907. Twice they attacked the city and burned houses and looted churches outside the walls. Probably with 2000 or less warriors. This was the eastern Roman empire with an army, but were never attacked by the Roman army. They intimidated the Roman emperor enough so that he signed a peace treaty with the Rus allowing them to trade inside the City.
How could this happen? The only way I could see this happening would be that the Rus were huge, heavily built men. Who just by their huge size were able to do all these things with little opposition. I think the men may have approached 7' (213cm) tall. The Iraqi ambassador who described them said they were the finest physical specimens he had ever seen. He said they were as tall as date palms.

[Jamey Martin]

Could this really be considered new information; northern barbarians pillaging a higher civlization??? Sounds like the same ol'same ol.

What comes to the fore in my mind when I think of the relation of heathen Scandinavians with the Eastern Empire is the great affluence of Sweden on the one hand, and the great trust the Emperors of the East placed in the Varangians on the other.

I mean, if we believe the historians the Varangian Guard would have been comparable to having ... Al Quida serve as the President of the U.S.A.'s honour guard! lol

Land armies, even mounted, were always at a stark disadvantage over the viking longships in particular. The longships gave blitzkreig an entirely new meaning and are why even a Warlord the calibre of Charlemagne, who neglected his navy and concenetrated muchly on building a mounted army, found himself helpless before their onslaught. As fast as his army was, as proven against the Saxons for one, he simply couldn't get his troops to the field fast enough. The longships sweep in, plunder, destorying the enemies resources and increasing their own, and then are gone. And then the defending army arrives. You know, like the police.

Of course, the Northern Europe DOES produced the world's biggest and strongest men. But size and strength are simply not enough to make an elite warrior.

Viking Age Sweden had to enact laws that forced men to relinguish their ancestral claims in Sweden if they remained out of the land for too long; because of the thriving business that had LOOOOOOOONG existed, ie. the Amber Road, between the Balto-Nordic tribes and Greece/Constantinople.

Heck, even the barbarians of the West are often mischaracterized as the destroyers of Rome when in fact they were more it's saviors ... that kept it going despite it's long history of mismanagement, ie. mismanaged enough that urban salvation cults like Christianity were sprouting up like wildfire and taking like it too in all of the trade cities, ie. ghetto cities.

Cheers!

[Ocko]

Rus are the ancestors of the slavianic people. The term is comparable to Aryan. I doubt it is a Skandinavian word. Rus is a word meaning in old slavianic something like Race.

The fighting against Constantinople looks more like the retaliating fights against the Christianization of the slavic people who had a humongeous Kingdom who's center was Kiev. On old maps you can see the extension of it. It was called Great Tartary. the word Tartar stems from their Gods Targh and Tara (Goddess) (her sister was/is Karna from which the word Karma stems, she was comparable to the Nornes of the Norse mythology). the Rus Tartars are not to be confused with the Turk Tartars which nowadays carry the name.

The fighting technical was sophisticated like that of the Aryans. breathing, a certain way to move (using tendons instead of muscles), hitting technology with relaxed muscles and so on was energy preserving (if not energy creating) so that the warriors had enormous strength and endurance (reportedly they could fight for 2 days without a break). Combined with their enormous size they were indeed formidable warriors to whom the short Romans were no match.

Christian missionary created the loss of 7 million (out of a population of 12 million) in the Great Tartary. so the fierceness of the battles may account for this fact.

It may also account for the trust the East Roman emperor put into his Varangian Guard as they were Norse men and not Rus. with body size most likely comparable and most likely less fighting skills, they were the last barrier between the Rus and the roman Emporer. So he most likely chose the option to pacify the Rus with money than taking the risk of loosing his life and kingdom.

[Sigyn]

Rus are the ancestors of the slavianic people. The term is comparable to Aryan.

No, they're not the main ancestors of Slavic Russians, their overall genetic input in Russia was relatively minor (the Rus Vikings were vastly outnumbered by the Slavs they ruled over - they essentially filled the same role as the Normans, who were outnumbered by French locals). However, you are right about the Russians being largely an Indo-European/Aryan people, since most of their genetic stock is from the Old Slavs. This can be seen in their sub-racial types, which often differ from those of native Scandinavians (which is what the Rus were).

You truly need to stop getting your history from WN websites. The term "Rus" does not mean "Aryan", it's just a word for Swedish Vikings.

I doubt it is a Skandinavian word.

It is one, though.

the Rus Tartars are not to be confused with the Turk Tartars which nowadays carry the name.

Neither the Swedes nor the Russians were ever Tatars (that is, Turkic people from Central Asia), so I have absolutely no idea what "Rus Tatars" are.

the word Tartar stems from their Gods Targh and Tara (Goddess) (her sister was/is Karna from which the word Karma stems, she was comparable to the Nornes of the Norse mythology).

[Ocko]

I assume that the Rus (commonly they are only addressed wit the adjective 'russian') know better where their name stems from. And they claim that the origin of all white people stems from mainland 'russia'. The name of this people, they claim was Rus. From those people stem all the offsprings of this people, the Slavs, Germanics, Celtics, Aryan etc. They call themselves Rus because they claim to be the direct line of those people. Their modern language is closest to that of the ancient Rus.

Their take of the story of Rurik is that they were from the same language family. The Russians claim that the Norwegian People were direct descendants of the Rus as the Great Tartary Kingdom at that time, located in Kiev. It is laughable to assume that the Waraeger were chosen Kings because of their superiority. The Great Tartary Kingdom was vast, it reached to the today Ukraine to the Chinese border from the arctic sea to the black sea to what is nowadays Afghanistan. To assume they gave the Kingdom to the Waraeger is preposterous. They had nevertheless friendly relationships with Rurik and made Associations with them.

The Rurik Story known to the West is basically boasting with a kernel of truth.

As you do not know the great Tartary you most likely adhere to the twisted History of cultural Marxism. When you believe they tell the truth you are a believer and not disturbed by facts. And as a true believer of Marxism, no facts will challenge your ideology. All they can do is critics but not bring facts forward to proof their nonsense. And ideologists cannot be convinced as they are not interested in truth.

[leRoux]

I assume that the Rus (commonly they are only addressed wit the adjective 'russian') know better where their name stems from. And they claim that the origin of all white people stems from mainland 'russia'. The name of this people, they claim was Rus. From those people stem all the offsprings of this people, the Slavs, Germanics, Celtics, Aryan etc. They call themselves Rus because they claim to be the direct line of those people. Their modern language is closest to that of the ancient Rus.

No they call themselves 'Rus' because they are insecure over the fact that the Duchy of Muscowy (their predecessor and founder) was a less legitimate successor to the Kievan Rus'. Think about it, would you really trust the 'Macedonians' to tell their history?

[Ocko]

I do not trust cultural Marxism to tell history. The lies about the Holocaust, WWII, Hitler, Christianity, Jewry, black History, omission of white civilizations as the Pharaohs, Inka and here Great Tartary, communism and on and on made them lose all credibility.

Offiicial History is a scam and an anti white hit piece.

The great Tartary is shown on many medieval maps as well as on other things. To believe it did not exist because cultural Marxism never mentions it is the shoddy logic of a Negro but not worthy of a member of the white race who learn to operate logical terms like if, or, not, either etc as a child.

I did not see any argument or proof from you about what the term Rus means or should not mean.

That the muscovite duchy took over at a later point is basically unrelated to the question at hand.

[Halldorr]

I have watched your posts over the past 6 mo. and virtually every single one has the facts twisted or completely wrong. Most of it is pure BS! I think that was you a few months ago that was trying to say that Gengkis Kahn's Mongols had blond hair and blue eyes. Nothing could be farther from the truth. You either have a very limited knowledge of these ancient peoples or you are deliberately doing this on purpose to confuse the facts presented. It sounds almost like you are a federal agent planted on this site by some US spy agency to disseminate false information. This is a typical tactic they use to try to discredit a site. If you are not a fed, prove it by following the main stream opinion on this site. Right now you have 0 credibility with me.

I do not trust cultural Marxism to tell history. The lies about the Holocaust, WWII, Hitler, Christianity, Jewry, black History, omission of white civilizations as the Pharaohs, Inka and here Great Tartary, communism and on and on made them lose all credibility.

Offiicial History is a scam and an anti white hit piece.

The great Tartary is shown on many medieval maps as well as on other things. To believe it did not exist because cultural Marxism never mentions it is the shoddy logic of a Negro but not worthy of a member of the white race who learn to operate logical terms like if, or, not, either etc as a child.

I did not see any argument or proof from you about what the term Rus means or should not mean.

That the muscovite duchy took over at a later point is basically unrelated to the question at hand.

[Halldorr]

Here is some more spicy info about the Rus. These guys had attitude. The chief of the Rus had a harem of concubines. They were all Slavic slave girls. In one town he had 300, in the next town he kept 200. In the 3rd town he had another 200 for his "personal use". That's 700 for just him. Why would he need so many? Having sex with a different one every day it would take over 2 years to have sex with all of them. And in reality it would probably take 3 years. By that time they may have moved further south. It may have just been a status symbol.
This is the ultimate male dominated society. They made their own rules to follow. They paid no attention to other societies laws. Those attacks on the port cities of the Caspian sea made have come about because the residents refused to trade with them. You don't trade with them, they attack you.
This tactic worked on the city of Constantinople. They were unable to breach the walls but intimidated the eastern Roman emperor enough to force him to sign a peace treaty with them.
These actions are not something 6'2"(188cm) men could do. Size was everything in this ancient world of close up combat. These men had to be very big to intimidate these people the way they did. This info I am putting up is to try and find out what these people looked liked and how their "society" worked. The author of this book, Empires and Barbarians, Peter Heather is considered to be the most knowledgeable expert on the Goths and some of the other Germanic peoples.

[Sehnsucht]

Offiicial History is a scam and an anti white hit piece.

Decent sources and peer reviewed studies are all a conspiracy against whitey? Get real.

To believe it did not exist because cultural Marxism never mentions it is the shoddy logic of a Negro but not worthy of a member of the white race who learn to operate logical terms like if, or, not, either etc as a child.

You sound like the weird black nationalists who claim the Anglo-Saxons were black and other insane theories.