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    Letís Draft Our Kids

    IN late June, Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, the former commander of international forces in Afghanistan, called for reinstating the draft. ďI think if a nation goes to war, every town, every city needs to be at risk,Ē he said at the Aspen Ideas Festival. ďYou make that decision and everybody has skin in the game."

    This was the first time in recent years that a high-profile officer has broken ranks to argue that the all-volunteer force is not necessarily good for the country or the military. Unlike Europeans, Americans still seem determined to maintain a serious military force, so we need to think about how to pay for it and staff it by creating a draft that is better and more equitable than the Vietnam-era conscription system.

    A revived draft, including both males and females, should include three options for new conscripts coming out of high school. Some could choose 18 months of military service with low pay but excellent post-service benefits, including free college tuition. These conscripts would not be deployed but could perform tasks currently outsourced at great cost to the Pentagon: paperwork, painting barracks, mowing lawns, driving generals around, and generally doing lower-skills tasks so professional soldiers donít have to. If they want to stay, they could move into the professional force and receive weapons training, higher pay and better benefits.

    Those who donít want to serve in the army could perform civilian national service for a slightly longer period and equally low pay ó teaching in low-income areas, cleaning parks, rebuilding crumbling infrastructure, or aiding the elderly. After two years, they would receive similar benefits like tuition aid.

    And libertarians who object to a draft could opt out. Those who declined to help Uncle Sam would in return pledge to ask nothing from him ó no Medicare, no subsidized college loans and no mortgage guarantees. Those who want minimal government can have it.

    Critics will argue that this is a political non-starter. It may be now. But America has already witnessed far less benign forms of conscription. A new draft that maintains the size and the quality of the current all-volunteer force, saves the government money through civilian national service and frees professional soldiers from performing menial tasks would appeal to many constituencies.

    Others argue that the numbers donít add up. With an average cohort of about four million 18-year-olds annually, they say, there is simply no place to put all these people. But the government could use this cheap labor in new ways, doing jobs that governments do in other countries but which have been deemed too expensive in this one, like providing universal free day care or delivering meals to elderly shut-ins. And if too many people applied for the 18-month military program, then a lottery system could be devised ó the opposite of the 1970s-era system where being selected was hardly desirable. The rest could perform nonmilitary national service.

    A final objection is the price tag; this program would cost billions of dollars. But it also would save billions, especially if implemented broadly and imaginatively. One reason our relatively small military is hugely expensive is that all of todayís volunteer soldiers are paid well; they often have spouses and children who require housing and medical care.

    Unmarried conscripts donít need such a safety net. And much of the labor currently contracted out to the private sector could be performed by 18-year-olds for much less. And we could raise the retirement age for the professional force from 20 to 30 years of service. There is no reason to kick healthy 40-year-olds out of the military and then give them full retirement pay for 40 years. These reforms would greatly reduce both recruiting and pension costs.

    Similarly, some of the civilian service programs would help save the government money: Taking food to an elderly shut-in might keep that person from having to move into a nursing home. It would be fairly cheap to house conscript soldiers on closed military bases. Housing civilian service members would be more expensive, but imaginative use of existing assets could save money. For example, V.A. hospitals might have space.

    The pool of cheap labor available to the federal government would broadly lower its current personnel costs and its pension obligations ó especially if the law told federal managers to use the civilian service as much as possible, and wherever plausible. The government could also make this cheap labor available to states and cities. Imagine how many local parks could be cleaned and how much could be saved if a few hundred New York City school custodians were 19, energetic and making $15,000 plus room and board, instead of 50, tired and making $106,329, the top base salary for the cityís public school custodians, before overtime.

    The savings actually might be a way of bringing around the unions representing federal, state and municipal workers, because they understand that there is a huge budget crunch that is going to hit the federal government in a few years. Setting up a new non-career tier of cheap, young labor might be a way of preserving existing jobs for older, more skilled, less mobile union workers.

    But most of all, having a draft might, as General McChrystal said, make Americans think more carefully before going to war. Imagine the savings ó in blood, tears and national treasure ó if we had thought twice about whether we really wanted to invade Iraq.
    Source http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/10/op...kids.html?_r=2

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    nnnyeah, he can kiss my ass.

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    "War is young men dying and old men talking."

    - Franklin D. Roosevelt

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    Reminds me...
    *Gen. Stan McChrystal*

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    I donīt think this is such a bad idea, especially the civil service part offers great advantages for the medical and the care sector.
    There won't be humans in 500 years. Enough people choke themselves when they jerk off we gave it a name. We ain't a species made to last.

    Judging by itīs name common sense must once have been a pretty common thing. When and why did that change, so it became the rare treasure it is today???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feyn View Post
    I donīt think this is such a bad idea, especially the civil service part offers great advantages for the medical and the care sector.
    Conscription/civil service is already an instituted policy in Germany (or was at least), so of course it sounds alright to you. The problem lies in putting my life in jeopardy in a foreign land in service to a multicultural capitalist empire whose sole intent is domination of the mid-east in order to monopolize oil supply in co-operation with Israel and NATO, subduing national sovereignty around the globe.
    The US Military budget outspends every other superpower, combined. The answer lies not in sending our youth out on an endless series of proxy wars, but withdrawing entirely, limit defense budgets, and centering focus on grassroots organizations, in short, stop being such assholes
    Sounds okay. But think of the benefits

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    This smacks of desperation to me and is further proof that the USA is now running a war economy, which is usually a warning sign that the end is fast approaching

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    The future of the War on Terrorism lies in blowing them up with drones or assasinating them (I find it far more moral regardless of whatever laws or regulations to just kill those who plan attacks against America rather having to kill countless poor peasents before killing the masterminds if ever) not sending in hundreds of thousands of grunts.

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    He's already thinking of a war and the fact is he's thinking of using us and our children: what gives? America is a Jewry run estate, they can bugger off: where Jewry USA goes, Australia fellows.
    Why should our children and us fight to protect other races and others cultures within our boarders? Why should we die for Jews and other races? I would like to see all non-Jews disbanded the Jewry globalists army and lets see how powerful the Jews are really! Non-Jews outnumber the Jews, the funny thing is (not really funny) the Jews hire non-Jews to fight for a Jewish run military. and we fall for it!

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    There is an advantage to instituting the draft: the general public will become much more interested in preventing and protesting unnecessary and unjust wars when their own sons are being involuntarily conscripted. The last time a conscript army fought for the US was Vietnam, and we all know how the general American public handled that. The public relations disaster that was Vietnam is exactly why a draft will never happen again in the US unless World War Three breaks out. The ruling cabal would never have the absence of accountability they require if they had to explain to the American people why their sons were being forced to fight and die in some middle eastern cesspool.

    Interestingly, there is a strong parallel here with the end of the Roman republic. Much like the modern US, during the late Republic era Rome was forced to transition to a professional military in order to defend and expand their conquests because conscription led to political backlash and social instability among the Roman citizenry. Ultimately, the transition to a professional army resulted in the end of the Republic when the army became more interested in serving its own interests over those of the people of Rome.

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