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    The Germanic Irish

    I discovered I have some slight Irish Catholic ancestry, but it's very slight. Do you know if irish have a heavy Germanic input? I heard the Anglo-Normans would rule over the Irish and they even had the term "Irish niggers" to describe the indigenous celts. Is there any truth to this myth? How can I tell if I'm a descendant of Norman Irish or Celtic Irish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHeathenSociety View Post
    I discovered I have some slight Irish Catholic ancestry, but it's very slight. Do you know if irish have a heavy Germanic input?
    As a whole the Irish are regarded as Celts, but there have been some Germanic influences over the centuries.

    How can I tell if I'm a descendant of Norman Irish or Celtic Irish?
    The best place to start would be to look at the surname your Irish ancestors bore and proceed from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHeathenSociety View Post
    I discovered I have some slight Irish Catholic ancestry, but it's very slight. Do you know if irish have a heavy Germanic input? I heard the Anglo-Normans would rule over the Irish and they even had the term "Irish niggers" to describe the indigenous celts. Is there any truth to this myth? How can I tell if I'm a descendant of Norman Irish or Celtic Irish?
    I wouldn't be so insecure about this. You are just conscious of a certain celtic input because we live in the modern age.

    Southern Germans, proper Anglo-Saxons, are not conscious of this input because it happened thousands of years ago.

    Either way, it happened. But today these people are Germanic, regardless.

    Here are the Celts in 3rd Century BC:


    They weren't all exterminated that's for sure. So you're not unique or undesirable for having a bit of Celtic input.

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    Irish ancestors usually means Celts, much as some clan leaders came from a Scandinavian, Saxon or Frankish background. Looking into the name always helps, there is oft more in a name than one would like to think.

    It's the first time I've heard the term 'Irish niggers' at any rate. There were the 'Black Irish' but those were not black at all, instead simply descendants of the Spaniards stranded in 1588.

    BTW, if you mention the input is minor, I wouldn't worry about it too much at all.
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    The Germanic and Celt difference sometimes comes across as some kind of faultline for some people studying their personal Germanic past? Do these particular Germanics with a Celtic mix look on that as something bad I wonder? My linage is Norman directly on my fathers side but on my Mothers line is a mix of Celt and Anglo/Saxon with further Celt mix surely farther down the linage of my fathers side if I am to be realistic of happenings since the Normans conquered Ireland all those many hundreds of years ago..

    To me its no problem at all to be Germanic/Celt in ancestry and that can become a long historical story to explain why.. I don't have to as I am quite happy with who I am in the present day despite my sometimes faults as we all have as individuals and I am very happy with who I am especially in a western world that is now fast becoming a zoo with radical levels of immigration from non-European countries..
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHeathenSociety View Post
    I discovered I have some slight Irish Catholic ancestry, but it's very slight. Do you know if irish have a heavy Germanic input? I heard the Anglo-Normans would rule over the Irish and they even had the term "Irish niggers" to describe the indigenous celts. Is there any truth to this myth? How can I tell if I'm a descendant of Norman Irish or Celtic Irish?
    The Normans would never have heard that word. Black Irish is used to describe anyone who looks like they came from southern Europe and looks a bit exotic compared with normal Irish people.

    Heres an example.

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    Differences between celts and germanics are marginal. But most of the celts haves haplogroup R1b while germanics mostly haves I1. Concerning masculine line I would say, that round at 20 to 25% of irish people have germanic ancestors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHeathenSociety View Post
    I discovered I have some slight Irish Catholic ancestry, but it's very slight. Do you know if irish have a heavy Germanic input? I heard the Anglo-Normans would rule over the Irish and they even had the term "Irish niggers" to describe the indigenous celts. Is there any truth to this myth? How can I tell if I'm a descendant of Norman Irish or Celtic Irish?
    The Irish are regarded as Celts, and most identify as such. But the truth is that there certainly has been a Germanic input in Ireland ever since the Viking Age. The Vikings made their mark, followed by the Normans (who were basically French speaking Scandinavians), and then the later English/Scottish. But the terms "Germanic" and "Celtic" have more to do with linguistics than genetic differences or race. As for the term "Irish niggers", I'm not sure where that might have come from or when but it probably stems from the fact that most Irish were Catholic and not liked by the Anglo-Protestants because of bitter centuries old religious rivalries. Most of the Normans who settled in Ireland by the way remained Catholic.

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    A few days ago I read in a history of german settlement in the USA, that a lot of germans who wanted to emigrate to america where settled in Ireland by the british government.
    So some of the today's irish people will have german roots.

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    Once more....: my husband's ancestry was Irish, Scottish, English and Norwegian. He was able to trace his ancestry back all the way to 1564. My ancestry is German, and I was able to trace it back to 1389. Our beautiful children are of German, Irish, Scottish, English and Norwegian blood. I call them the best of the best!
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