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    The Nationalist Dilemma: Love the People That Hate You.

    I know that this thread is based on argumentum ad populum, but it is still something that we who, in some way or another, define ourselves as nationalists often come across when we discuss these things with globalists and multiculturalists; "It dosen`t matter what you think. The majority still thinks that a multicultural society is preferable, and the only ones that need to integrate is YOU. It is needless to fight immigration".

    ^Even though it is a logical fallacy and don`t say much about the actual thing that is discussed, it is still a fact that the majority of the people (that is, our own people) hate or at least dislike us and our beliefs.
    How do you deal with this?

    My strategy is to just ignore what they said and point out the logical fallacy. But maybe there are better ways?

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    Probably a swedish one is not swedish simply who hates another swedish one which loves and wants preserve own traditions, cultural and biological heritage. That kind of self-hater people are simply globalists with swedish ancestry: that is their "nationality" and their culture are the globalist pop-"culture".

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    Well, I won't precisely answer to your question, but I have nearly stopped fighting for my folk, I now tend to say that I'm fighting for my nation, for its History and for my ancestors.

    Indeed, sometimes I find it hard to fight for people who have been utterly brainwashed, whose only culture is consumerism and who hate you for your ideas. That kind of people is lost, totally, and I can't continue to give my energy for them nor try to preserve them, it's useless.

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    These are people who have been brainwashed and who think with their emotions. Being logical does no good with them in a head to head discussion, because they will be defensive and will not listen. Better to be emotional back... tell them they are traitors who fight to genocide their own people... mindless, brainwashed puppets of those who hate us and want us to die.

    Such people are more susceptible to logic when presented in written form, though, so if you are trying to argue with, say, your mother, write your position out in flawless prose. When you make spelling errors, use the wrong word, or poor grammar, it makes the whole argument fall apart! Seriously, the written word is deep-programmed as the voice of authority, so if you are reasonable, logical, and do not stab your argument in the back with errors, the written word has a good chance of getting through.
    Most people think as they are trained to think, and most people make a majority.

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    Your nation ≠ its present generation

    Your nation = its present generation + all of its ancestors + all of its descendants.

    How do the anti-Whites know what all of those people think?

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    Integration is a word the other side likes to use. I don't believe in integration. I cannot for example, integrate into European societies and I know this. If I had children they could possibly integrate into similar groups elsewhere but if that was their future it would lessen any cultural or national connection I would have with them on my own part.
    I've heard people say that the only connections between Germanic or likewise European groups are based solely on linguistics and not on race. If this is true it has to change, language is only part of a person.

    They will continue to import negros and the like because of this. You can raise a negro or Arab child to speak German, English, Swedish or Dutch.
    A phrase I heard sometimes in my youth from my parents and elsewhere is "If everyone else jumped off a bridge would you do it too?"
    I guess as a warning about blindly following stupid people to a foreseeable end.
    As for majority rights- I want them to keep winning..I'll quietly not follow the status quo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VedicViking View Post
    Your nation ≠ its present generation

    Your nation = its present generation + all of its ancestors + all of its descendants.

    How do the anti-Whites know what all of those people think?
    Well, the answer would probably be: "How do YOU know?!"
    I think it's just less people, that have the affiliation between "protecting your race" an "honouring your ancestors". Thats the sort of argument, that Huginn ok Muninn already suggested. The emotional one.

    Don't think that works well in a discussion.
    Actually I don't rate the foreigners behaviour, because it wouldn't make sense, to measure everyone by the same yardstick. But I do think, that mass immigration happens systematically and that's worth wondering about. It's economically idiotic, because most of the foreigner aren't educated well, most of them even need language lessons. Immigration leads to parallel societys, crime is rising. Multi culti offends the peoples tradition and the immigrant's as well. So why is ist necessary?

    Then I normally leave my discussion partner alone for not commiting a fault in the last few seconds.

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    It's not a dilemma to me; they are against the preservation of their own people, they are the enemy and will most likely end up doing themselves in with their own destructiveness, I've seen it happen with liberal whites time and time again. If they are so brainwashed into a destructive, anti-Germanic/white way of thought, their genetics don't mean anything, they are still against us and that is that.

    Such people are more susceptible to logic when presented in written form, though, so if you are trying to argue with, say, your mother, write your position out in flawless prose. When you make spelling errors, use the wrong word, or poor grammar, it makes the whole argument fall apart! Seriously, the written word is deep-programmed as the voice of authority, so if you are reasonable, logical, and do not stab your argument in the back with errors, the written word has a good chance of getting through.
    Depends on the person, really... I certainly don't think ALL of them are lost, but many are. If they start getting really defensive and emotional when you try to debate logically, it's done and should be left at that, if they're willing to listen and are convinced then welcome to the fold.
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    Relatives like my grandparents kept reminding me of our lost Prussian culture and to cherish our country and people. My grand aunt appealed to me to not forget our past and to care for our future when she was on her deathbed. To care for our nation is a commitment and task passed from generation to generation. Today it's on us.
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    There's no problem at all.

    In a world without god, gods or however you want to name metaphysical conscious entities, there's no universal and/or absolute truth; everything has to be negotiated, from words to weapons, so why shouldn't you express your mind even if it's one against millions.

    Second, the only authority a being has is its own inner self (soul, conscience et cetera), so don't you ever look for any external "permission" for whatever you believe in and struggle for.

    But never cheat yourself complaining about all those "brainwashing"; it might be true to a certain extent, but nonetheless you don't know anything about how others would think in a vacuum (plus there, of course, isn't any social/cultural/historical vacuum ever).
    "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream with open eyes to make it possible."

    - T. E. Lawrence

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