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    America Today If The South Won..

    Well what do you think it would look like today? The North and the South.

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    Hard to say, really; it was such a multi-faceted war that many different outcomes could have come of it. There was a movie called CSA: Confederate States of America that was made about this very subject. If you can stomach and get past the liberal propaganda, it may be worth watching to get the general idea.
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    I think Jura Lina might be able to answer that, at least indirectly..

    Swedish/Estonian production.

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    While Harry Turtledove's Southern Victory series is highly marred by implausible stuff and parallelism to real history, it offers us some clues. The most likely way to a Confederate victory would be due to British and French recognition after the South wins a major battle-say at Antietam. This would mean an alliance lineup of the USA and Germany (possibly Russia too if the Dreikaiserbund survives) against Britain and France. The US definitely wins any post 1900 or so matchup and annexes at the least the northern tier of the Confederacy along with Canada and possibly all of it (although that might be too much to bite).

    The rump CSA might be a US puppet, become a black Communist dictatorship (sort of Mugabe's Zimbabwe ) or a lower-class white socialist dictatorship (think Strasserism but less of a focus on Jews and a more rural based movement).

    An interesting thing to note is that with a divided USA there would be no "Great Migration" of blacks or a migration to the Sunbelt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Autosomal Viking View Post
    If Napoleon had been able to defeat the Mexicans he would have supplied aid to CSA through Mexico in order to 'divide and conquer' USA. There would be no racial integration or multiculturalism in USA, CSA, and probably the rest of the world. A divided USA would have meant a possible WW1 German victory and therefore no WW2.
    OTOH, the defeated Allies might have wanted revenge just like OTL's Germany. Although hopefully the Germans aren't as stupid as Chamberlain and Daladier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredericus Rex View Post

    The rump CSA might be a US puppet, become a black Communist dictatorship (sort of Mugabe's Zimbabwe
    The CSA would never have become a Negro Communist dictatorship but ironically the Union has.
    An interesting thing to note is that with a divided USA there would be no "Great Migration" of blacks or a migration to the Sunbelt.
    Why not, there has been an even greater movement of Hispanics to the North across an international border.
    Quote Originally Posted by Autosomal Viking View Post
    . French defeat in Mexico likely caused French victory in 1918 and 1945.
    American money & manpower caused French victory in 1918 & 1945.

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    I think if the South had won at Gettysburg, England would have come to the South's aid as revealed in a letter from England to the CSA. In fact not only would England give aid, they would take over operations and rout the Union in the West finishing off the North. It was planned for Davis to give the Queen control over the Confederacy, treating it as a privileged colony.

    So we would be a 'privileged colony' today with National Healthcare and slavery would have eventually been abolished.God Save The Queen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    The CSA would never have become a Negro Communist dictatorship but ironically the Union is.
    Well if the CSA loses its upper tier of states (Virginia, Tennesse etc.) in a rematch, its going to have a black majority (and just look at South Africa or Rhodesia...).
    Why not, there has been an even greater movement of Hispanics to the North across an international border.
    I'd be guessing the CSA has somewhat more decent border controls than our US-Mexican border.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredericus Rex View Post
    Well if the CSA loses its upper tier of states (Virginia, Tennesse etc.) in a rematch, its going to have a black majority (and just look at South Africa or Rhodesia...).
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    The Deep South states - Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina & (at one time) Florida all have White majorities.

    Even in 1860 there were 5 million Whites versus 4 million Negroes in the South. Without slavery the Negro proportion decreased (shorter lifespans, higher infant mortality, fewer surviving children then Whites) until the welfare policies enacted after WWII subsidized their procreation.

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