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    To Deifr and Grey

    Deifr: grow a sense of humour. A young and long-haired Norwegian going to England wearing mail anno 1993? And you know; a good PR agent couldn't have done it better. Burzum is known for this as well, and many -- although obviously not everyone -- see the humour in it. Even the airport security thought it was funny.

    (There is no such thing as "chainmail" by the way. It's called mail. "Chainmail" is a word invented in the 19th century by men who didn't know it is actually called mail.)

    Grey: "Just about anyone on a forum such as this could be called a nutter and eccentric by the general public. And the changing of views is part of growth, and since when is stagnation a good thing?"

    Bravo! This is a very intelligent observation. With such sharp wits you are a role model to all of us and I will certainly pay more attention to wat you say in other contexts as well.

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    To NordicPower and Sigurd

    The Sami are not Europeans. DNA research proves that the Samoyeds are their closest cousins. Samoyeds are the indiginous people of Sibiria. In other words; Asians/Mongoloid. If you guys had the wits to you could check out some photos of Samis from before 1900.

    Most Norwegians and Samis already "hate" each other. Norwegians dislike them because the Samis are parasites in our society. Like some other Asians, I may add.

    (I may add that I think placing the Finns in the same group as the Sami and Samoyeds and other Sibirans, like some sources do, is pretty weird. They don't belong in that Mongolian company. The Finns are Europeans.)

    Yes, I stabbed a man in the back -- because he started a fight with me, but ran away when he was losing. He tried to kill me, but when he failed he ran away and I gave chase. It is hard to stab a fleeing foe in the front. The killing was not partially ethnic motivated; the fact that he was of part Mongolian stock was a bonus. It is not coward to defend your life and then give chase when the guy who tries to kill you flees. I may add that when I killed him we were face to face -- and I looked into his eyes when he died. Nobody -- and I mean nobody -- who knows me has ever called me a coward.

    I have never burned any stave churches, and I am not convicted for burning any ctave churches either. Check your f***ing sources before you come with such accusations.

    Yes, my writings are atheist, and they are because I am too smart to believe in any religions. Only the ignorant, the brainwashed and the plain stupid believe in spirits or any form of deities.

    You are free to think that I am an untalented musician.

    The killing of Euronymous might be portrayed in many ways, but that's only because fools out there writing on different forums like this come up with their own bullshit theories. I have told my version from day one in court. My story has never changed. It has been longer some times and shorter other times, because I included more or less details, but the story is the same and has always been the same. My story is also 100% in accordance with the technical facts in this case. The prosecutor's story only differs from mine in the fact that he claimed I planned the killing, and he claims I didn't know Euronymous was going to murder me until after I had killed Euronymous. Amazingly his story does is not in accordance with the technical facts either.

    So; when you say there are so many different versions you are spreading lies! Stop that. Not only that, when you do you run the errands of those who try to undermine my influence and authority. And who do you think that is? And why do you think they do that? (Clue: Varg Vikernes is well known to be so-called anti-Semittic, anti-Christian and racist).

    "Those the media attacks the most are those who are closest to us", or something like that. Does that ring a bell?

    Oh, and I have more honour than you can even imagine, so quit your ignorant whining and do something sensible instead.
    Last edited by Varg Vikernes; Sunday, March 14th, 2010 at 09:03 PM. Reason: Grammatical corrections

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    Varg,chill out!Most of us on Skadi know your story and we like you and your music.You are an intelligent man and by my accounts you paid for your crime so you don't have to keep trying to defend yourself.I know the media and the courts blew your case up.To me they made an example out of you to try and give Black Metal a false image.I don't think it had the effect they had wanted.
    If you don't like the Samii and you feel that they are a threat to your nations survival,well join the club.I don't like Mexicans or Negros in my country either.
    Skadi is the right place for you.Just relax and enjoy all that this forum has to offer!

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    To Lokies Domain

    Wotan; id est furor.

    Well. I am chilled, but I still have to speak up against the nonsense of the ignorant and often unknowing and even unwilling lackeys of the J***s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varg Vikernes View Post
    The Sami are not Europeans. DNA research proves that the Samoyeds are their closest cousins. Samoyeds are the indiginous people of Sibiria.
    Based upon what, haplotypes?

    In other words; Asians/Mongoloid. If you guys had the wits to you could check out some photos of Samis from before 1900.
    The other theory is that they are merely further borealised East-Baltids, themselves borealised from Baltids. This would make them fully Europid.

    Certain other "Mongoloid" traits such as the epicanthus have been observed to take place in other groups/individuals that have undergone increased infantilisation, I personally consider the infantilisation hypothesis more plausible than a migration across such inviting areas as Siberia or the Gobi Desert.

    I have never burned any stave churches, and I am not convicted for burning any ctave churches either. Check your f***ing sources before you come with such accusations.
    So how come you previously supposedly admitted to torching Fantoft in an "act of retaliation against Christianity for placing a church on sacred, pagan grounds."?

    The killing of Euronymous might be portrayed in many ways, but that's only because fools out there writing on different forums like this come up with their own bullshit theories.
    I have no own theory. Like I stated, we cannot know either way, and the only two people that know for definite are yourself and Euronymous. One won't answer on this, and the other we will either have to take at face value, or leave it.

    Like I said, it should have been charged as culpable homicide if it weren't for the "overkill". I am not sure I'd react different in a situation where someone tried to take my life, but I would have probably cornered and intimidated him. Breaking an arrogant nutcase's will is more useful than spending over a decade behind bars for ridding the world of him. Or put the other way, was Euronymous worth the hassle you got for stabbing him, was the juice really worth the squeeze?

    Don't tell me you couldn't have simply disarmed him, then cornered him, then half-broken his arms across his back, then further restrained him to break his will and rethink his attitude and actions. Any semi-skilled martial artist would have known how to do that.

    Besides this, the Euronymous killing is not what bothers me. It is the burning of at least one stave church which you admitted to, just to now retract that statement here, which bothers me.

    Oh, and I have more honour than you can even imagine, so quit your ignorant whining and do something sensible instead.
    Honour, like wisdom is something we do not attribute to ourselves, but others attribute to us because we have earned it. If you act honourably people will judge you honourably, if you don't then people won't. Easy as that.

    If you feel that we are unfairly judging you on the basis of not having full-knowledge, then it is your every right, and indeed your every duty to attempt to rectify this, which I am glad you are taking your time to do. To judge again about your honour is again however left to others, you can only do your part towards earning honolur.

    I never said you were no honourable man, by the way. I simply stated you had your moments which made it increasingly hard to maintain belief in your integrity.

    I'm giving you a hard time not because I am ignorant, I am giving you a hard time because from what we were made to believe, the original level you're starting at to rebuild respect has dropped so low that it will take more than just words to prove you're made of better flesh.

    I'm not too impressionable, but as I already stated: You've done your penance, but it's still a long way to go to prove yourself again. You can't expect to come out of jail and everyone bowing and praying to you. I am one of those.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    Quote Originally Posted by NordicPower View Post
    I have also requested that my posts advocating Varg Vikernes be permanently deleted.
    I protest against such retroactive steps. Once statement is written, it becomes property of the community (id est forum).
    Pontifex Solis

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    New article about Varg in norwegian newspaper.

    http://www.vg.no/rampelys/artikkel.php?artid=585629


    Rem skriver blant annet i boken sin at han tror Vikernes ble rasist mens han satt i fengslet. Det tilbakeviser Vikernes, og hevder at han har vært rasist siden den gang sigøynere stjal lekene hans da han var en liten gutt
    Haha

    The article is about a new black metal book. The author Rem writes in his book that he belives Vikernes became a rascist when he was in prison. Varg Vikernes say that it is wrong, and that he was a rascist since gypsys stole his toys when he was a kid.

    Also that stuff about Aarseth guitar, bass, which song was very weak in the book, I have to agree with Varg that it was a big error by the author.

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    tl;dr version of this thread:
    - Varg is a bit of an extremist and slightly twisted in the head, and does go through odd phases... like I remember reading that he denounced guitars as being not European enough while he was in prison (ya, he couldn't get his hands on one but he still said something like that) but when he comes out he's back on one. Even that statement is weird.

    - His music is legendary in Black metal and a vital part of its history. No debate here.

    - Burning churches like the Black metal crowd did back in the 80s-90s obviously isn't going to defeat a whole religion so it was more of a "phase" they went through really. I'm sure deep down they knew this was just a symbolic thing but its still pretty much a nasty thing to do. I've no love for that religion but its still just stupid.

    - Euronymous was killed yes but that doesn't mean he was an upstanding good guy. He was a lot like Varg in his level of radicalism and his beliefs, and though he was supposed to have said some stuff for shock value the guy was a real douche so I've heard in Black metal documentaries.

    - I don't know of the Sami people really but a quick browse through Wikipedia shows me that they are originating from the roof of Europe and so can safely be called European if you ask me. Its not like every real European has to look like a poster boy of the Aryan race or something so really calm down about this.

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    Wasn't Euronymous a communist of Stalinist ideology? Didn't he 'love' 'evil' things just because they were 'evil', and didn't he genuinely believe that Venom were 'evil'? Euronymous was a fucking idiot. Murdering a fleeing attacker, though, is cowardly, I believe, regardless of what Mr. Vikernes says.

    Also, why is Euronymous' being of 'Mongolian stock' a bonus? It's an irrelevancy as far as I am concerned, and I would like to hear why it is anything more than that.

    I remember reading that Varg is a Nordicist and is proud of his '98% Norwegian and 2% Swedish stock', after marrying a French woman his children will be less than 50% Norwegian assuming she does not retain some Norwegian ancestry. Also, assuming she is of darker hair, eye colour and skin complexion than your average Scandinavian (this is not necessarily true, although I would assume it to occur more often than not) then the chances of his children not being 'blonde haired and blue or grey eyed' is increased. Varg emphasised in one of the texts on his official website that those Europeans without blonde hair and blue or grey eyes will, through decendency, 'purify', becoming lighter in complexion untill they are blonde haired and blue or grey eyed. Assumedly by marrying a French woman he's only set himself, or atleast his children, backwards a notch. Does this not bother him? I heard he believes that those without blonde hair could not get into Valhalla either, so that's me buggered

    I suppose love conquers ideology, and philosophy, right? None the less, judging by Varg's atheistic approach I would assume he doesn't believe in the bollocks he writes anyway, and that it's 'only speculatory', or something. Whatever the case, it sounds retarded.

    Anyway, Belus has a few good tracks but is not as good as Det Som Engang Var, Hvit Lysset Tar Oss or Filosofem, and, regardless of Varg's seeming contradictions (although many of which can be attributed to growth, which is indeed to be expect of anyone with even an ounce of intellect) and somewhat 'contraversial' ideologies, his significance and importance to the development of black metal is undeniable, and he can atleast be thanked for that much.

    Black metal is shit now anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Entwulf
    I remember reading that Varg is a Nordicist and is proud of his '98% Norwegian and 2% Swedish stock', after marrying a French woman his children will be less than 50% Norwegian...
    Nordicist, not fetished on "Norwegians". Nordics can be found in quite some places, not only in Scandinavia.

    Katie Belly (Vocalist in Bluebirds, French)


    Eva Green (Bondgirl in Casino Royal, French)


    Jolie Delphy (actress, French)


    France has the most european "biodiversity", and even if the Nordics there might have become few, they are still there. On top, there is no reason to think that Varg would chose anything else than a Nordic.


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    Unnur Birna Vilhjalmsdottir (Miss World 2005, Iceland)


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