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    Cool Hygiene: Where is the Line?

    What does hygiene mean to you, at what point is it too much and becomes an unhealthy rejection of your own body and natural self?

    For example, I understand in the USA it is considered basic hygiene for women to remove all their leg and armpit hair, tweeze their eyebrows, and tear out every other stray hair. Somehow, in that culture, having hair is associated with not being clean. For men this is mostly limited to shaving unibrows and neckbeards, though I have known some American men to shave their legs.

    In Europe it is heading that direction as well among younger people.

    Personally, I think hygiene can include things like plucking random beard/moustache/mole hairs if you're a woman. Facial hair is pretty distracting in a bad way on women imo. I'm not opposed to scaping a severe unibrow either. That's pretty much all I particularly care for though. What are your thoughts? I'm interested to see how this varies from place to place.
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    I don't think it has anything to do with hygiene, although some will use that excuse to sell razor blades, and others will repeat it to deny the real reason they do it. This real reason is pure vanity, heavily influenced by the pictures of models and actors who are seen as ideal people by the masses.
    Most people think as they are trained to think, and most people make a majority.

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    I saw a really irritating Nivea shaving cream advert this morning, you know, the little sponsoring ones that they put on just before the show comes on.

    Well it has three men, including the obligatory African, in a changing room, shaving. One white man is shaving his chest and they look and laugh at him as if it was something really effeminate to do (Which it is IMO) but I could not help but notice that the other two had no chest hair of their own.

    Dunno what the heck we are supposed to make of that?

    Are they mocking the feminized male beauty regime whilst at the same time promoting the same look? Mocking him because he has chest hair and has to shave it, unlike these 'naturally hairless' and obviously more macho individuals?

    The Persian King Cyrus asked the Lydian King Croesus what he must do in order not to have to fear the Greeks in his kingdom rising up against him. Croesus replied:
    "To make sure of their never rebelling against you, or alarming you more, send and forbid them to keep any weapons of war, command them to wear tunics under their cloaks, and to put laced shoes upon their feet, and make them bring up their sons to lyre-playing, harping, and shop-keeping. So you will soon see them become women instead of men, and there will be no more fear of their revolting against you." Herodotus.

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    I have a feeling the inventors and promoters of the liberal arts were politicians who read Heroditus.
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    A male wearing no bodyhair except on the head is considered by most people as an gay dolphin.

    It´s not a matter hygenie to shave all hair. If these people start to sweat they´ll stink to, if they don´t shower. At least the guys attending the same fitnesscenter like me do that.

    I see no reason to remove hair on my legs or my arms or my chest. I´m a grown man - not a child. It´s the same when it comes to women shaving their intimate zones - I prefer women not girls.

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    There is something about hygiene. Prisoners and army men get their heads shaven. Hair is a favorite breeding place for bacteria and infections. But if you take care of your body and shower often hair doesn't have to be removed. It's up to you if you want to keep it or shave it off. It's more aesthetics than real hygiene. Dark and thick hair leaves a mental impression of being dirty. Unibrows, same thing, it reminds me of Middle Easterners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    I don't think it has anything to do with hygiene, although some will use that excuse to sell razor blades, and others will repeat it to deny the real reason they do it. This real reason is pure vanity, heavily influenced by the pictures of models and actors who are seen as ideal people by the masses.
    ^^ This ^^
    At least here in the States, I don't ever hear tof the excessive shaving (in men)( being promoted as hygiene, nor any of the shaving for women (except for the occasional attempted obfuscation of the matter concerning pubic hair). It's for pure vainglory.

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    A male wearing no bodyhair except on the head is considered by most people as an gay dolphin.
    I wish that were the case here. The all-over shave is the rage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zombiehunter View Post
    I see no reason to remove hair on my legs or my arms or my chest. I´m a grown man - not a child. It´s the same when it comes to women shaving their intimate zones - I prefer women not girls.
    I absolutely refuse to shave anything but my head or beard (if I want to). Nor do I ask women to shave anything. I don't hang out with women with beards or mustaches, so....

    Hell, I don't even care if they shave their armpits.


    Hygiene isn't about removing any sign of adulthood, it's about being clean and not going around stinking. Hair has nothing to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jens View Post
    What does hygiene mean to you, at what point is it too much and becomes an unhealthy rejection of your own body and natural self?
    Hygiene, that means the regular washing of the body with natural soap or shower gel to me. Taking a shower or a bath every second day is enough for most time of the year, except on hot summer days or after heavy sweating (subsequently to sports, for example). Too much showering and bathing harms the natural skin flora and skin layer.

    I don´t consider applying make-up as a form of hygiene, and I don´t use make-up products anymore.

    For example, I understand in the USA it is considered basic hygiene for women to remove all their leg and armpit hair, tweeze their eyebrows, and tear out every other stray hair. Somehow, in that culture, having hair is associated with not being clean.
    We had a lengthy debate about female body hair and imposed shaving trends in following thread (-> http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=132784) and I´m sure you´ll find some interesting answers in it. You can also find my view on the matter in that thread, so I´m not going to repeat it here again. I would only copy myself.
    For men this is mostly limited to shaving unibrows and neckbeards, though I have known some American men to shave their legs.

    In Europe it is heading that direction as well among younger people.
    Men who shave their legs appear strange to me, "metrosexual" at best, "gay" at worst. The mainstream trend that both genders need to shave everything everywhere is quite bothersome. Who can profit from it, and why do as good as all media portray that trend as the only acceptable habit?

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    I shave my chest with a clipper and shave my armpits, the places where i sweat the most. But its for my own safety, i'm allergic to my own sweat, so the less i produce sweat, the less riscs there is that i can die. I find all those things not manly when you shave them as a man, but in my case i need to do it.

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    @olympia: The amount of sweat is reduced with a shaven body? I don´t believe that.

    The amount of perspiratory glands will not differ just because the hair is removed.

    Hygiene isn't about removing any sign of adulthood, it's about being clean and not going around stinking. Hair has nothing to do with it.

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