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    Question About Sami People

    Why are the Sami people considered Norways indigenous people? Aren't ethnic Norwegians indigenous too? I mean, Europe is our ancestral homeland so why are Sami people considered indigenous since aren't Norwegians/Swedes etc also indigenous to Europe??

    I'm just confused about it since Europe is our homeland as much as it is the Sami peoples.
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    I think its mostly political correctness. The sami moved in from siberia and the ethnic norwegian's originated in southern scandinavia, so in terms of evolution or ethnogenesis, norwegians have deeper roots there. Maybe when anthropologist's say it outside of PC circles they mean that sami as an ethnic group predate norwegian's as an ethnic group because norwegian's became seperated from other scandinavian's at a later time than sami already existed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altrogothic View Post
    I think its mostly political correctness. The sami moved in from siberia and the ethnic norwegian's originated in southern scandinavia, so in terms of evolution or ethnogenesis, norwegians have deeper roots there. Maybe when anthropologist's say it outside of PC circles they mean that sami as an ethnic group predate norwegian's as an ethnic group because norwegian's became seperated from other scandinavian's at a later time than sami already existed.
    In other words, Sami get extra benefits because they are more primitive?


    That sounds familiar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GewaltigeAufgabe

    In other words, Sami get extra benefits because they are more primitive?


    That sounds familiar.
    I didn't know they got special right's. If they do its like here in America where native people get special grant's to go to college. It's even bigger nonsense in Norawy because Sami's only occupied a small area of Norway. Well, I mean a small area of populated Norway, so in most cities and town's ethnic norwegian's have a deeper ancestral history anyway.

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    No, the Nordics, like all Germanics, can be traced to the European mainland, namely Denmark. They migrated into Scandinavia and very slowly assimilated and pushed out the Sami people, who were still a militarily weak hunter gather civilization. Being from Europe doesn't make them indigenous to Scandinavia. In the end though, humans have been migrating for hundreds of thousands of years. There is no such thing as indigenous peoples. As best as science can tell, even Indo-Europeans are not indigenous, and migrated from Central Asia, and they probably came there from someplace else. Civilizations migrate.

    EDIT: Though I feel it is relevant to add, this migration is estimated to have occurred between 4-5000 years ago. Trying to justify affirmative action with it is a serious stretch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbite View Post
    Why are the Sami people considered Norways indigenous people? Aren't ethnic Norwegians indigenous too?
    Because they paragraf of the UN regarding 'indigenous peoples' is completely absurd. It only regards ethnic groups who are in a minority in their current State and who can trace their roots previous to the establishment of such State, as 'indigenous'. It has very little to do with 'who was first' here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jens View Post
    No, the Nordics, like all Germanics, can be traced to the European mainland, namely Denmark. They migrated into Scandinavia and very slowly assimilated and pushed out the Sami people, who were still a militarily weak hunter gather civilization.
    The ancestors of the Norwegian people can be traced 11 000 years back in our lands. These people most likely arrived at pretty much the same time as the ancestors of the modern day Saami. It's not like our ancestors weren't present here untill the Germanic culture arrived around 1500-1000 BC.

    Quote Originally Posted by GewaltigeAufgabe View Post
    In other words, Sami get extra benefits because they are more primitive?
    To my knowledge, they only have specific privilieges regarding the business of reindeering. And they have their own pseudo-Parliament, as well. Other than that, there's not much extra benefits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    The ancestors of the Norwegian people can be traced 11 000 years back in our lands. These people most likely arrived at pretty much the same time as the ancestors of the modern day Saami. It's not like our ancestors weren't present here untill the Germanic culture arrived around 1500-1000 BC.
    Precisely, our ancestors came to southern Sweden LONG before the Sami started inhabiting the very northern parts of Sweden and Norway.

    I'm an avid nationalist debater, if you will, on Youtube. I just can't let all the ignorant comments be unanswered. It struck me that some people from Sweden, usually pretty illiterate and probably not very educated, still consider the Sami the indigenous people of Sweden! They've never argued with me when I point out that is obsolete and disproven nonsense, but it's led me to reflect upon the lack of interest in our roots and heritage today. Any nationalist or someone proud or interested in his/her ancestry would know such an obvious fact.

    I don't think they get too many benefits. AFAIK they get to tend to their reindeers and that's fine. Nothing like importing 100,000 Somalis a year, paying their salaries using TAX PAYER MONEY (certain jobs, probably to make fake employment rates and camouflage the problems of the ridiculous immigration), buying SWEDISH firms using tax payer money for IMMIGRANTS ONLY, and discriminating Swedes in their own country. One minister even wanted to relieve ghetto-immigrants (Rosengård etc.) of their taxes. It seems Arabs and Negroes are the most privileged people in Sweden today. It makes me sick.

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    Thanks everyone, very helpful.


    I feel that considering the Sami to somehow be "more native" than Norwegians adds to the idea that immigration and diversity is somehow ok, because it makes it seem like the Norwegians have no real claim to their country. If the Sami are 'indigenous' than the Norwegians are themselves immigrants and they should let other people in.
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    Well, I'm not an expert but this is the way I understand it.

    It is believed that the first Scandinavians immigrated from northern Germany to Denmark about 12000 BC (the Hamburg culture).

    The oldest known settlement in Sweden is Segebro, just north of Malmö, 9000 BC.

    The oldest known settlement in Northern Scandinavia is Alta, 7000 BC.

    The oldest known settlement in Northern Sweden is Vuollerim, 4000 BC.


    The oldest archaeological finds of Sami culture are about 2000 years old.

    In other words, the whole of Scandinavia was inhabited long before the Laps entered the scene.

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    Lol, my wikipedia scholarship is based on this source though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Stone_Age And according to that, the hamburg civilization was pushed out by another one, and that one by the funnelbeakers, and that one by the Pitted War culture. What is accepted as the actual ancestors of modern day nordics among actual academics is that the Battle Axe Culture, which wiped out the other culture that wiped out the culture that wiped out the hamburg culture that you think are scandinavians, is the actual nordic ethnic group.
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