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    I was aware that 'Nazi' were short for Hitler's political party.

    Both terms mean the both words. Nazi means National socialist, and that does not give us a bad name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heidixx View Post
    Nazi means National socialist, and that does not give us a bad name.
    'Nazi' is a term which was used by our political enemies during the years of the November Republic. From the linguistic point of view, the word is quite unfitting, as the correct abbreviation of 'Nationalsozialist' would be 'Naso' rather than 'Nazi'. I suppose they chose that term to make it sound more contemptuous.

    Anyway, a German National Socialist would *definately* not call himself 'Nazi', except for ironical reasons, perhaps.

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    Nationalsozialist


    From an online etymological dictionary

    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Nazi

    Nazi 1930, from Ger. Nazi, abbreviation of German pronunciation of Nationalsozialist (based on earlier Ger. sozi, popular abbreviaton of "socialist"), from Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei "National Socialist German Workers' Party," led by Hitler from 1920.

    The 24th edition of Etymologisches Wörterbuch der deutschen Sprache (2002) says the word Nazi was favored in southern Germany (supposedly from c.1924) among opponents of National Socialism because the nickname Nazi (from the masc. proper name Ignatz, German form of Ignatius) was used colloquially to mean "a foolish person, clumsy or awkward person." Ignatz was a popular name in Catholic Austria, and according to one source in WWI Nazi was a generic name in the German Empire for the soldiers of Austria-Hungary.

    An older use of Nazi for national-sozial is attested in German from 1903, but EWdS does not think it contributed to the word as applied to Hitler and his followers. The NSDAP for a time attempted to adopt the Nazi designation as what the Germans call a "despite-word," but they gave this up, and the NSDAP is said to have generally avoided the term. Before 1930, party members had been called in English National Socialists, which dates from 1923. The use of Nazi Germany, Nazi regime, etc., was popularized by German exiles abroad. From them, it spread into other languages, and eventually was brought back to Germany, after the war. In the USSR, the terms national socialist and Nazi were said to have been forbidden after 1932, presumably to avoid any taint to the good word socialist. Soviet literature refers to fascists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adalwolf View Post
    Anyway, a German National Socialist would *definately* not call himself 'Nazi', except for ironical reasons, perhaps.
    As a proud national socialist I proudly bear the name Nazi as well as national socialist.

    It is not ironic, it is a proudly borne despite word. In other words, I support all the stuff that is called Nazi. When they say Nazi, they mean all the stuff that I support - and I dont apologise or shrink from any of it.

    I dont see that Nazi has any connotations that national socialist does not bear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Germania Magna View Post
    Nationalsozialist


    From an online etymological dictionary
    If that dictionary tells you that, fine. Still it is a strange neologism, as you would usually abbreviate a term which consists of two words -- 'national' and 'Sozialismus' -- with the first syllables of those words, rather than taking some letters from the middle of the second word to make it sound more 'evil'.

    And your own text confirms that the term was/is used by political enemies.

    I dont see that Nazi has any connotations that national socialist does not bear.
    Well, I can only refer to what *I* know. In Germany, it definately has a negative connotation. I don't know how things are on your island, however.

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    Again, it's not a portmanteau of National and Sozial. It's just the first half of National said in German which sounds exactly like Nazi.

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    'Nazi' is a term which was used by our political enemies during the years of the November Republic
    So 'Nazi' is an English term for Hitler's party? So, what's the German's version name?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heidixx View Post
    So 'Nazi' is an English term for Hitler's party?
    No. As already said, it was a term first used by our enemies (bolshevists, marxists, democrats) in the November Republic, when the Kampfzeit -- the struggle for Germany -- began. After Adolf Hitler came to power, the enemies of the German people fled the country to spread their hatred for the National Socialist revolution across the world.

    The correct German word is Nationalsozialist, in English National Socialist, short NS. The 'Nazi' word clearly carries with it an adverse tone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adalwolf View Post
    No. As already said, it was a term first used by our enemies (bolshevists, marxists, democrats) in the November Republic, when the Kampfzeit -- the struggle for Germany -- began. After Adolf Hitler came to power, the enemies of the German people fled the country to spread their hatred for the National Socialist revolution across the world.

    The correct German word is Nationalsozialist, in English National Socialist, short NS. The 'Nazi' word clearly carries with it an adverse tone.
    Maybe you should remove "wolf" from your name because it "sounds evil" and carries with it an "adverse tone". The Jews invented that name during WWI.

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