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    Quote Originally Posted by OnePercent View Post
    This is just the tip of the iceberg, the kind of damage that government-mandated "affirmative action" hiring programs and the like do to white Americans is immeasurable and profound. Hard-working, talented whites are routinely denied jobs and college assistance while unqualified minorities are practically handed money and promotions left and right. I have a friend whose son graduated at the top of his high school class with a 4.0 GPA and who scored a 1400 on his SAT, and yet he has not been awarded a single scholarship despite months of effort.
    Not really looking to argue since I don't disagree, but your friends son either doesn't exist or you made those numbers up. The SAT has had 3 parts and been out of 2100 for going on ten years now, so 1400 would really suck. And a 4.0 pretty much also never happens anymore, and hasn't for many years, because of Advanced Placement classes which allow students to go over 4.0 And if he was such a bright cookie he would be a national merit scholar, in which case there are automatic scholarships that he would receive without any application process, like my brother (white male) who lives in the USA did.
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    I found the original comment my friend made about this issue and I turns out that I got the SAT score wrong, here is his comment (edited to not give out personal information):

    Right now [my son] is graduating high school this year and he gets a 4.0 like I'm not exaggerating. I don't think he has ever had a B in his life, ever, since he has been in the third grade and he is taking all honors classes, taking all these AP courses that he has taken the AP test for and I think he got a 5 which is the highest, the SAT total is 2400 which is the highest you can possibly get and I think he got a 2230 and we are still struggling to find out if he's going to get into college or not. He got accepted by Cal Berkley and Arizona State, Cornell, University of Washington, University of Minnesota and were seeing if he can get enough scholarships to get it paid for because the cost of tuition for most of these schools is over $20,00.00 per year and some are more then that and the whole total cost is over $30,000.00 every year when you add in room and board, books then the tuition is over $30,000.00 per year. So your looking at $120,000.00 to $250,000.00 over a 4 year period based on the school. And this is a guy who has spent 4 years busting his ass and an intelligent kid and we're trying to figure out if he can go to one of these schools that he wants to go to and he's earned it. and that's ridiculous.
    Of course, he doesn't want to accept that Affirmative Action is playing a role here, but nonetheless, he hasn't been unable to come up with the funds for any of those institutions and the last I have heard he is enrolling at a local community college in the fall.

    Now on to your brother and the "national merit scholarship":

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...arship_Program

    To be considered for a National Merit Scholarship, Semifinalists have to fulfill requirements to advance to Finalist standing. Each Semifinalist submits a detailed scholarship application, which includes writing an essay and providing information about extracurricular activities, awards, and leadership positions. Semifinalists also have to have an outstanding academic record, be endorsed and recommended by a school official, and earn SAT scores that confirm their qualifying test performance. From the Semifinalist group, some 15,000 meet Finalist requirements. By the conclusion of the competition, about 7,800 Finalists are selected to receive prestigious National Merit Scholarships totaling nearly $35 million. Winners are the Finalist candidates judged to have the strongest combination of academic skills and achievements, extracurricular accomplishments, and potential for success in rigorous college studies. Scholarship winners represent less than 1% of the initial pool of student entrants (about 0.5% based on official statistics released by the National Merit Scholarship Corporation).
    So it is obviously not "automatic scholarships that he would receive without any application process". In fact, the idea that a foreign national would be one of the 7800 people selected out of a country with tens of millions of qualified citizens is a travesty in itself!

    Furthermore, there is a special "blacks only" version of the "National Merit Scholarship" that gives another 800 black students a full ride scholarship. Considering that they are just as eligible for everyone else's "National Merit Scholarship" and they are only 13% of the population they have an absurdly higher chance of getting such scholarship when compared to white males. Mind you, this is just one scholarship, there are thousands of others out there that have similar conditions.
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    So it is obviously not "automatic scholarships that he would receive without any application process". In fact, the idea that a foreign national would be one of the 7800 people selected out of a country with tens of millions of qualified citizens is a travesty in itself!
    He's not a foreign national anymore. And I'm sorry if Americans are unable to succeed in their own system. The whole point of this argument on my part has been saying exactly that your system sucks for the people in it. Which I kind of gather is precisely what you just said, no? If you are agreeing with me, what are we fighting about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jens View Post
    And I'm sorry if Americans are unable to succeed in their own system. The whole point of this argument on my part has been saying exactly that your system sucks for the people in it. Which I kind of gather is precisely what you just said, no? If you are agreeing with me, what are we fighting about?
    We may agree that the system does not work for Americans, but I think we disagree on the cause. The modern American system is not our "own system", it is a Marxist-inspired system (i.e. enforced economic/social equality in direct opposition to the natural order of things) that works against most Americans. I think most Americans on this site would agree with the statement that the current system in America is only possible due to having a large and increasingly Socialist government that enforces these unpopular diktats upon us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnePercent View Post
    We may agree that the system does not work for Americans, but I think we disagree on the cause. The modern American system is not our "own system", it is a Marxist-inspired system (i.e. enforced economic/social equality in direct opposition to the natural order of things) that works against most Americans. I think most Americans on this site would agree with the statement that the current system in America is only possible due to having a large and increasingly Socialist government that enforces these unpopular diktats upon us.
    Correct; the modern American "democracy" or "democratic republic" is the result of changes in government, politics, society, etc. that began at least in the presidency of Jackson:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacksonian_democracy

    A republic of educated, informed, and fiercely independent citizens?
    Or a democracy of indolent rabble?

    I know which one I prefer.

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