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Thread: America's Rank Hypocrisy: Why Is It Only an "Atrocity" When Other Countries Do It?

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    It can't be that much of a mystery why Americans feel that they can do no wrong. Our history teaches us that we were the "torchbearers" of liberty. Ronald Reagan put it quite nicely, "America is a shining city upon a hill whose beacon light guides freedom-loving people everywhere". It's an enduring Puritan ideal and it will not go away anytime soon despite the fact that the people and the principles that built the nation have ontologically changed rendering that notion ridiculous.

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    The problem is that since our entrance into WWII the US has been acting strictly in the interests of an international consortium of bankers and military industrialists who have the open goal of world control. Call it Zionism or Globalism or the United Nations or whatever you want, the underlying goal remains the same: to unite the world under the domination of a small group of unelected and politically untouchable elites. Since the US has the largest and most capable military in the world today (combined with a populace that at least tacitly approves of expensive overseas military activity), it is only natural that it is used in whatever demented way the real power behind the US Federal Government wants to use it.

    I am a veteran myself, and I have the utmost respect for those men and women who are currently serving in our armed forces, but anyone who thinks that our modern military has anything to do with "national defense" is seriously deluded. At best the members of today's armed forces are little more than mercenaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coillearnach View Post
    It can't be that much of a mystery why Americans feel that they can do no wrong. Our history teaches us that we were the "torchbearers" of liberty. Ronald Reagan put it quite nicely, "America is a shining city upon a hill whose beacon light guides freedom-loving people everywhere". It's an enduring Puritan ideal and it will not go away anytime soon despite the fact that the people and the principles that built the nation have ontologically changed rendering that notion ridiculous.

    Regan had a real opponent in the USSR, that is a bit different than Afghanistan and Iraq.

    America HAS been the torchbearer of liberty in much of the past.

    The worst of the current problems originate in the post WW2 situation.

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    I think many people in this country have blind patriotism and they think their country can do no wrong.
    Proud to be Germanic.

    Even though my ancestry is English, Germany is my favorite country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Schnadelbach View Post
    Ingvaeonic, you DO understand that I was saying what lots of americans believe in my post to which you responded? You are correct in your assessment, it was "victor's justice". I would hate for you or anyone to think that I believed that america really has a deal with Jehovah. But lots of americans really do believe that america can do no wrong as long as they are junior partner to Israel, since the Bible says "Numbers 24:9 King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
    He couched, he lay down as a lion, and as a great lion: who shall stir him up? Blessed is he that blesseth thee, and cursed is he that curseth thee."

    Jehovah is talking to the jews in that quotation.


    BTW, I do not worhip Jehovah.
    I'm surprised another American hasn't caught this: you grossly overestimate the religiosity and actual familiarity with the Bible of the average 'Murrican who supports our adventurism, as well as his understanding of foreign policy.

    In the first place, most Christians who ever supported intervention in the Middle East actually thought there was something in it for us. A common rationalization for staying in Iraq post-Invasion was "The CIA screwed the pooch here, but at least we got one nasty dictator out of the way!"

    There has always been a Protestant belief present in American politics that the United States is ordained (or at least favored) by the Christian god. In the extreme, it's assumed that He made America great and free so we could go forth and convert the heathens to Christianity-- first the Negros and the Indians, now the Iraqis.

    The essential belief in our ordination was definitely there in colonial times, and if you wanted you could trace it back partially to the forcible conversion of pagans in Europe.

    Here's where the Jews come in: since the same Christians who would be amenable to a modern crusade have also bought the Biblically unfounded belief that the Jews are God's Chosen people, the tricky devils have gotten some of the overall support for their agenda through religious suasion. Christian Zionism has been around for awhile, but it was nothing until Americans bought into fictitious Holocaust.

    You can hardly chalk up the foreign policy of a secular country to one Bible verse most people have never heard of. The world just doesn't work that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EQ Fighter View Post
    America HAS been the torchbearer of liberty in much of the past.
    It still is the torch bearer of 'liberty'. The neoliberal torch bearer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingvaeonic View Post
    Allied atrocities against German soldiers, such as shooting German soldiers out of hand after they had surrendered to Allied troops, were never prosecuted because the Allies won the war and so they could and did impose their form of very hypocritical "justice" on German military and political personnel. The double standard inherent in victors' "justice" is plain to see and Germany was made to suffer the Allies' full spite and vindictiveness in the Allies' application of victors' "justice".
    This is like the Dutch/Norwegians/French/Italians/Danes/whatever who go "My grandad was in the resistance, and the evil Germans killed him!" I love how by international war, taking up arms after the military of a nation has been utterly defeated, is 100% illegal and liable to execution. Thus the execution of Partisans by Germany was justified.

    This video comes to mind here:
    WW2 justified by former German soldiers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krähe View Post
    This is like the Dutch/Norwegians/French/Italians/Danes/whatever who go "My grandad was in the resistance, and the evil Germans killed him!" I love how by international war, taking up arms after the military of a nation has been utterly defeated, is 100% illegal and liable to execution. Thus the execution of Partisans by Germany was justified.

    This video comes to mind here:
    WW2 justified by former German soldiers
    Who cares what the law says you have to do when your country is occupied? I take the side of NS Germany against the countries that were aligned with the Communists and international capitalists (read: international Jewry), but the above takes on a bit of a moralistic tone to justify being so unforgiving of the partisans.

    The Germans had a job to do that wouldn't have been done as well if they weren't unmerciful, and for reasons right or wrong the partisans wanted the Germans out of their countries. Both sides took risks and both had their martyrs. It's not in the nature of true Whites to surrender, though that trait can be costly sometimes when we fight each other.

    A relative of mine actually was shot by German soldiers towards the end of the war; they destroyed his business during their retreat so the Allies couldn't make use of it. Naturally, he was pretty pissed off so he started chasing after them. One of them shot him but he recovered in time, as most gunshot victims do. C'est la guerre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by odin the wanderer View Post
    I'm surprised another American hasn't caught this: you grossly overestimate the religiosity and actual familiarity with the Bible of the average 'Murrican who supports our adventurism, as well as his understanding of foreign policy.
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    You can hardly chalk up the foreign policy of a secular country to one Bible verse most people have never heard of. The world just doesn't work that way.
    I beg to differ. You are correct that the average " 'Murrican" isn't really familiar with the Bible. But they don't have to be. They have the christian zionist tv evangelists who read it for them. Or the leaders of the mega churches. Or most "evangelical" churches generally. Watch the "700 Club" and you will hear that biblical quote frequently.
    Das Recht und die Gerechtigkeit haben nur selten miteinander etwas zu tun. Höchstens machen sie winki winki wenn sie aneinander vorbei gehen.
    The Law and Justice have only seldom anything to do with one another. At the most they wave at each other when they pass one another on the street.
    Niemals vergessen. Niemals vergeben.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahnenerbe View Post
    Source: AlterNet (an alternative source of independent, unbiaised information)
    LMAO if Alternet is unbiased, I'm the queen of England. It's one of the most liberal news outlets around.

    That being said, I do think the article makes good points. The US is powerful, and therefore can get away with a great deal more atrocities than nations that aren't powerful enough to dominate international bodies like the UN.
    Leben heißt für mich, mehr Träume in meiner Seele zu haben als die Realität zerstören kann.
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