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    Avatar: The Russian Immortality Project

    http://www.rt.com/news/prime-time/av...sts-brain-983/

    Inspired by director James Cameron’s idea, a Russian businessman has launched his own Avatar project. Hundreds of researchers are involved in creating a prototype of a human-like robot which would be able to contain the human consciousness.

    *In creating the Russia 2045 movement, Dmitry Itskov did not mean to use Avatars to explore new planets. His ultimate goal is to make immortality possible by transplanting the brain and its personality into a robotic body.

    The immortality project consists of four stages, and a team of researchers in the Moscow suburb of Zelenograd is currently working on the first one. About 100 scientists are already involved in the initiative, striving to bring the concept together, and Itskov is planning to hire even more during the upcoming stages.

    So far, scientists are struggling to complete the Avatar-A, a human-like robot controlled through a brain-computer interface. Itskov served as a prototype for the machine, thus the robot was nicknamed Dima.

    “It should fully resemble a real man,” explains chief designer Vladimir Konyshev. “It would be hard to tell him from a man both close up and from afar.”

    *According to the company’s website, the project consists of four stages.
    Stage 1 – called Avatar – is aimed at creating a robotic copy of the human body, controlled though a brain-computer interface. This stage is to be completed by 2020.
    Stage 2 – Body B – to create an Avatar in which a human brain is transplanted at the end of one’s life. This stage is to be completed by 2025.
    Stage 3 – Re-brain – to create an Avatar with an artificial brain, in which a human personality or consciousness is transferred at the end of one’s life. This stage is to start in 2030 and to be completed by 2035.
    Stage 4 – Hologram-like body – A hologram-like avatar. To be started in 2040, and completed by 2045.

    Currently there are tests to fix the robot’s eyesight. Each eye is an individual camera that observes and remembers surroundings, obstacles and faces. Underneath the latex skin lies a complex system of motors and electronics.

    In the next few months the group will demonstrate a robot that will be able to move around on wheels.

    “The next step is to make a robot that can walk, controlled by the movements of a human operator, which we hope to do by next year,” Konyshev told RT. “If you want to see what our ultimate goal is you can watch movies like Avatar or Surrogates, robots controlled by human thought.”

    The designers hope this robotic skeleton could also be the first step towards creating the next generation of artificial intelligence, perhaps even robots that think for themselves.
    The ultimate goal: Immortality

    *The Avatar-A project’s aim, Itskov says, is to create an autonomous system of human brain nutrition, preserving nerve connections so that the brain does not degrade or die.

    “Unlike in the film, we want to create an android, and not a biological body,” Itskov told RT. “I think it will become available to people in just ten years in the exactly same form.”

    *The Russia 2045 strategic social initiative is regarded as a means of promoting the idea of humanity attaining cybernetic immortality. The movement is based on dozens of projects in different stages of development and hundreds of proposals from scientists, philosophers, public figures, and visionaries. The founders of the movement, Dmitry Itskov in particular, believe the initiative will provide the impulse to accelerate technological progress. Itskov is aggressively promoting the project to make it international. The team is now in the process of creating a fund in the US, which will look for and develop the technology necessary for the project.

    *The idea is based on work by US scientist Robert White. In experiments with chimps, White showed that a monkey’s brain can be taken out of the skull and plugged into a system that will keep it alive.

    “Our main goal is to preserve personality and prolong life,” Itskov told RT. “Scientists say that if it weren’t for certain diseases and degradations of the cardiovascular system, our brains could live for two or maybe even three hundred years.”

    Itskov says that this “avatar” will live according to completely different principles – it will not need food or probably even a home. The activist sees it as a way to combat nature.

    “Our civilization is experiencing growing pressure in the form of natural and technological disasters – we’re becoming hostages of the technologies we’ve created,” Itskov says. “In the future, society will change radically, mostly because humans will move on to the next step of evolution.”
    Lending a helping hand

    *Not all of the projects being developed in Zelenograd sound like they've come straight out of a sci-fi movie. Some, like the robotic hand of the prototype, are actually being used to help people who have lost limbs.

    So far, the hands operate separately from the head and the body, though the work on them is still in progress. Pneumatic muscles clench the fingers into a fist; compressed air forces them to contract.

    “This definitely can be used to help disabled people. We already ran some experiments – a subject without a hand tried this technology. He said the hand worked for him. All it takes is to attach electrodes to the undamaged part of the arm so they can read the muscle activity,” software engineer Andrey Telezhinsky explained to RT.

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    Read about something similar in 2011 sometime... It was actually in an article about the jew Ray Kurzweil. He swallows hundreds of pills daily to increase his life-expectancy, in the hope that he will survive until science has reached the point where one will be able to transfer his "consciousness" to a robot (which he thinks will happen around 2020 if I remember it correctly), if they haven't already been able to make human bodies survive practically "forever". When/"if" his body dies, this will happen to it:

    In the event of his death, Kurzweil's body will be chemically preserved, frozen in liquid nitrogen, and stored at an Alcor facility in the hope that future medical technology will be able to revive him.
    He must be very afraid of death.

    But seriously, how can some people actually want to be transformed into a robot? The same question applies to the wish of having ones old, dead body revived some time in the future... I wouldn't want any of that personally.
    I'll let nature take its natural course (and continue to believe in some kind of afterlife ) instead.
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    Reminds me of the dogbot

    http://gizmodo.com/5776600/the-story...that-never-was

    If the gallery doesn't work click the link to the Russian forum, the pictures are there.

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    Presumably the robotic bodies cannot sleep, eat or copulate. What would someone whose persona was placed in one of those have to "live" for? Reading great literature is one reason but it would get old fast, even so listening to great music.

    One problem I have with "eternal life" in the afterlife sense is that after a few trillion years, there would be nothing left that you had not done several billion times. Imagine knowing that that would never end. To possibly misquote Mencken, "No matter how good a party might be, it cannot be good forever."
    I'd rather be dead and nonexistent in any form.
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    I actually think that immortality, either in machine form or with some sort of longevity treatment, would be quite attractive to me.

    Imagine being a scholar having all the time you need to do any research you want. Or just getting a much needed perspective on things. You could be an architect and design an entire city from scratch, watch its entire construction and observe several generations of citizens live their lives, perhaps making adjustments along the way while maintaining your original vision.

    Mankind could benefit immensely from having thinkers and visionaries around who wouldn't be inhibited by the narrow perspective of a single life span.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Schnadelbach View Post
    One problem I have with "eternal life" in the afterlife sense is that after a few trillion years, there would be nothing left that you had not done several billion times. Imagine knowing that that would never end. To possibly misquote Mencken, "No matter how good a party might be, it cannot be good forever."
    I'd rather be dead and nonexistent in any form.
    This is not really the place to get onto this, but I think some parts of us continue to exist in different forms and manifestations. It would be lot of variation - I don't believe in some kind of static existence that never changes and remains in exactly the same context and form for all time...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sindig_og_stoisk View Post
    Mankind could benefit immensely from having thinkers and visionaries around who wouldn't be inhibited by the narrow perspective of a single life span.
    Yes, I get what you mean. Maybe it wouldn't hurt to have a wise elite with longer life-spans than the masses... But this could unfortuantely be a possibility for many of our enemies as well, remember that.
    It would be totally crazy if all people started to live "forever" (or for a very long time at least). Would we stop having children? Or else we would certainly have a big problem with overpopulation...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olavsson View Post
    It would be totally crazy if all people started to live "forever" (or for a very long time at least). Would we stop having children? Or else we would certainly have a big problem with overpopulation...
    I don't think it will be possible anytime soon, but it could help with our demographic problem in the west. Currently we're on the path of extinction, if we could stop the aging process for example that would be averted. The state could regulate the allowed number of births, as many people probably still would want to have children. The allowed number of children could then be tied to the number of accidental deaths (and the deaths of those people who had chosen to age naturally).

    Who knows how human psychology would be able to handle longer lifespans and how it would affect our cultures... but once we're able to do it, it will be done, I'm pretty sure about that. At that point we should probably try to make the best out of it.

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    Dmitry Itskov is a very smart man.

    Regarding overpopulation I really do not see that as a problem since I am, first, sure that these androids will be very fuel efficient and will have a much smaller ecological footprint than a modern human being. Second, with eternal and energy efficient life space exploration becomes much more feasible. What is a 100,000 year space journey if you can set the alarm to wake you up when you get there and then just go to sleep?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    Dmitry Itskov is a very smart man.

    Regarding overpopulation I really do not see that as a problem since I am, first, sure that these androids will be very fuel efficient and will have a much smaller ecological footprint than a modern human being.
    Well, I didn't think about androids when I mentioned that... Rather the possibility of extending the life-span of the natural human body to a high degree, which is also a possibility people talk about. If people shall largely stop having children because they practically do not become old anymore, what kind of society would that be? Call me conservative, but then I would prefer the old way...

    And with regards to artificial intelligence... How do we know this won't actually become a genuine threat against real humans? How can we know that artificial life (maybe more intelligent than us) will have any solidarity with our folk?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olavsson View Post
    If people shall largely stop having children because they practically do not become old anymore, what kind of society would that be? Call me conservative, but then I would prefer the old way...
    The thing is, people would NOT stop having children. Maybe our Folk would, they seem to have begun that trend already (sigh) but the duskies would continue to breed like bunnies. The world would sink into a slime pit of overpopulation.
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