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  • I would definitely always adhere to the last laws I knew to be good and proper. No need for anarchy.

    3 25.00%
  • Offences against Property (Housebreaking, Theft,...)

    2 16.67%
  • Offences against Income (Theft, Robbing a bank,...)

    2 16.67%
  • Offences which include mere Bodily Harm (Assault, Grievous bodily hurt...)

    1 8.33%
  • Offences against Life & Limb (Murder, Manslaughter,...)

    1 8.33%
  • Offences against Freedom (Torture, Unlawful Arrest,...)

    1 8.33%
  • Anything it takes. No laws, no boundaries.

    8 66.67%
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Thread: If Push Came to Shove: How Far Would You Go?

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    If Push Came to Shove: How Far Would You Go?

    Suppose you were caught in a situation where you were left completely on your own to fend for yourself and your family and you were pushed to do things you would normally find morally reprehensible in order to get your family through. Imagine there were no laws which could punish you for whichever you did, how far would you go in order to protect yourself and your family?

    Poll has been attached. It is multiple-choice and private. Remember though there is a reason why this was posted in the Morals & Ethics section. These are hypothetical things in an extreme situation, and do not call for straight calls to ignore the laws as we know them. So I don't want to see any stuff like "Cool, I want to do this in peace-time, let's shoot some coons in the neighborhood".
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    To me it seems that in extreme situations morality and ethics are simply inapplicable. These are conceits of a civilized society that in the absence of enforcement are replaced by new codes. These new codes serve their purpose as justifications for the actions of those whose will to survive throws them in opposition to the normal status quo. So needless to say, I'm an anything and everything it takes kind of guy.

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    We're nearly there!

    Of course, given the parameters suggested I would do anything to ensure the survival of my own and my bloodline because of my love for them and that I am convinced my bloodline is worth it as a microcosm of what is Germanic and culturally significant. I have posed this question to others over the years and have been amazed at the number of people who say they would commit suicide with their family (say by overdosing) rather than face the horrors of a chaotic societal meltdown. To hell with that! The reason I am here today is because my ancestors did everything they could to literally battle for continuance and predominance even to the point of abandoning their heimat in Scandinavia/northern Germany/Frisia to colonise and conquer a new country, tame it and make it their own (my wife's stamvaders faced the same much more recently when they arrived in the Cape, South Africa in the 17th century). I would certainly hope that even in this soft, comfortable age I could shake off the trappings and restrictions of 'civilisation' as we know it, and not shame my ancestors by submitting to some 'inevitable' doom.
    “unless they know, mystically, that beneath the concrete lies the earth which has nourished their race for a thousand years and ... that it is their own earth from which their blood is shed and renewed, then they are a lost people, and easy prey for those who have lacked roots for many centuries"
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    I opted for 'anything it takes' but I would only commit the kinds of crimes you've listed in order to defend myself and my family from any potential threat(s), not just because law and order has collapsed and I could gratuitously commit murder without facing any legal repercussions.

    I think even the most ardent pacifist would approach the situation with that mentality.

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    Hopefully I will never be put in such a situation... but if I were I would definitely stop at nothing to protect myself and my family. Especially if I had children. Intruders should never underestimate maternal instincts.

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