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    Russian fans attack stewards at Euros

    Fears over violence erupting at Euro 2012 were borne out when stewards inside Wroclaw's Stadion Miejski were attacked by fans inside the ground on Friday.

    Amateur footage following Russia's 4-1 win in their Group A opener against Czech Republic has appeared online which shows dozens of supporters attacking a handful of officials in a main walkway inside the 40,000-capacity arena, which is home to Polish club side Slask Wroclaw.

    Local police confirmed that the violence was caused by Russian-speaking supporters.

    Police spokesman Mariusz Sokolowski said: "I can confirm that this happened at the stadium.

    "The attackers were from the group of Russian language fans. We are trying to identify them. Police have the security footage from the stadium, we are looking into it."

    When asked why the police did not step in to assist the stadium staff at the time, Sokolowski said: "It was at the stadium. We react when security and steward at the stadium cannot handle things. In this case they fast took control at the situation."

    According to Eurosport's Polish office, four members of stadium staff were taken to hospital but all were released later that evening.

    The footage shows one steward left in a heap on the ground after being set upon by several assailants before the violence dissipates and he is helped to his feet, while another is kicked in the head while trying to evade a lone attacker.

    Sokolowski added: "Nothing serious happened to the man who was kicked."

    Russia's next match is against co-hosts Poland in Warsaw on Tuesday. According to reports, mayor Hanna Gronkiewicz-Waltz will decide whether or not to let the anticipated thousands of Russian fans travel to the capital for the game.

    Eyewitnesses in the Ukrainian city of Lviv have also reported an incident involving Russian fans scuffling briefly with locals in the early hours of Saturday morning.

    Around 15 Russian fans left the city's fan zone and started shouting and swearing at a smaller group of Ukrainians, said Reuters photographer Marian Striltsiv.

    The two sides exchanged a few punches before local police quickly moved in and separated the combatants. No arrests were made.

    One picture taken by a local agency showed a man with blood streaming from his nose.

    Police denied there had been any violence and said they had prevented the two sides from fighting. Tensions between the two nationalities are particularly high in Lviv, in the far west of the country, in part because of Ukrainian resentment at Soviet rule from 1939 to 1991.

    The Lviv region was the centre of a resistance campaign by Ukrainian nationalists fighting for independence from the Soviet Union during and after World War Two.

    One of the main nationalist leaders was Stepan Bandera, a man still widely regarded as a hero in western Ukraine and as a bandit by Russia. Fans of local side Karpaty Lviv always show a huge banner of Bandera during home games.

    Polish sports minister Joanna Mucha confirmed in a press conference that there were 16 reports of violent incidents and 314 people treated by medical staff in incidents connected to Euro 2012, meaning those which happened in either stadiums or fan zones.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salsa View Post
    It became Austrian in 1772.
    The Austro-Hungarian empire where adopted in 1860-70's.
    By far the city was/is historically a Polish city with many jews living there.
    That was 1772 after the II.Polish partition.

    Well, the population stats back then are available. There was no such thing as a "Polish State" in the 19th century (1813-1918). It is true, in the 18th century Lemberg/Lviv was inside the Polish Empire, which had been abolished meanwhile.
    See thread Dr. Matt Johnson: The Fall of Poland in the 18th Century


    The Encyclopedia Brittanica 1911 entry of Galicia/Lemberg
    GALICIA (Ger. Galizien; Pol. Halicz), a crownland of Austria, bounded E. and N. by Russia, S. by Bukovina and Hungary, and W. by Austrian and Prussian Silesia. It has an area of 30,299 sq. m., and is the largest Austrian province. It comprises the old kingdoms of Galicia and Lodomeria, the duchies of Auschwitz and Zator, and the grand duchy of Cracow
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    The Roman Catholic Church has an archbishop, at Lemberg, and,three bishops, at Cracow, at Przemysl and at Tarnow, and the Greek Catholic Church is represented by an archbishop, at Lemberg, and two bishops, at Przemysl and at Stanislau. At the head of the educational institutions stand the two universities of Lemberg and Cracow, and the Polish academy of science at Cracow.

    The commerce, which is mainly in the hands of the Jews, is very active, and the transit trade to Russia and to the East is also of considerable importance.

    Galicia had in 1900 a population of 7,295,538, which is equivalent to 241 inhabitants per sq. m. The two principal nationalities are the Poles (45%) and the Ruthenians* (42%), the former predominating in the west and in the big towns, and the latter in the east. The Poles who inhabit the Carpathians are distinguished as Goralians (from gory, mountain), and those of the lower regions as Mazures and Cracoviaks. The Ruthenian highlanders bear the name of Huzulians. The Poles are mostly Roman Catholics, the Ruthenians are Greek Catholics, and there are over 770,000 Jews, and about 2500 Armenians, who are Catholics and stand under the jurisdiction of an Armenian archbishop at Lemberg.
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    *Ruthenians=Ukrainians

    Ergo: For the whole of Galicia which includes Polish Cracow, Auschwitz etc the figures are: 45% Ukrainians, 42% Poles, 11 % jews. To say that East-Galicia (today in Ukr , which includes the capital Lemberg) was "majority Polish" is a joke, a Polish one.

    It was and is majority "Ruthenian" aka Ukrainian.

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    Russian fans doing the stewards inside the stadium


    Looks like there were some trained kick boxers involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCP3 View Post
    That was 1772 after the II.Polish partition.

    Well, the population stats back then are available. There was no such thing as a "Polish State" in the 19th century (1813-1918). It is true, in the 18th century Lemberg/Lviv was inside the Polish Empire, which had been abolished meanwhile.
    See thread Dr. Matt Johnson: The Fall of Poland in the 18th Century


    The Encyclopedia Brittanica 1911 entry of Galicia/Lemberg

    Source

    *Ruthenians=Ukrainians

    Ergo: For the whole of Galicia which includes Polish Cracow, Auschwitz etc the figures are: 45% Ukrainians, 42% Poles, 11 % jews. To say that East-Galicia (today in Ukr , which includes the capital Lemberg) was "majority Polish" is a joke, a Polish one.

    It was and is majority "Ruthenian" aka Ukrainian.



    Wiseass, I was talking about, who built the city as well as who "civilized" the area through 1000 years, not 1911. So what Stettin is a wholly Polish city because it lives 500 000 poles there now? Of course not. It has been built by germans and where a "german" city for a loooong time and still should be if not for comrade Stalin. The same thing goes for Lwow/Lemberg/Lviv whatever. Look at it in a historic perespective. I'm still not disagreeing with you, Austria was an empire and held the city for almost 150 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Germania Magna View Post
    Looks like there were some trained kick boxers involved.

    Wonder if this was a smart thing to do on foreign ground. Now I fear this will escalate and give fire for the polish skins and as usual a lot of innocent ppl will get hurt...

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    I lol´ed when i watched the german team play yesterday. There were more non-germans then germans on the field.

    My favourites this year is Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sågverksarbetaren View Post
    I lol´ed when i watched the german team play yesterday. There were more non-germans then germans on the field.
    That's what's going to happen in our country soon Imagine somalies and other africans dominating our team. I think I will be rooting for Russia as well soon...

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