View Poll Results: Who will win Euro 2012?

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  • Greece

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  • Russia

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  • Czech Republic

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  • Germany

    23 47.92%
  • Netherlands

    5 10.42%
  • Denmark

    2 4.17%
  • Portugal

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  • Italy

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  • Spain

    8 16.67%
  • Croatia

    0 0%
  • Ireland

    2 4.17%
  • England

    3 6.25%
  • France

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  • Sweden

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  • Ukraine

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    The Jews are now complaining that not enough German players visited Auschwitz:

    The head of Germany’s Jewish community said he regretted that only Germany captain Philipp Lahm and Poland-born players Miroslav Klose and Lukas Podolski visited the site of the Nazi concentration camp where an estimated 1.3 million people were murdered.

    While praising the visit last Friday generally as a “good sign”, the president of the Central Committee of Jews, Dieter Graumann, admitted that he wished the whole team had gone.

    “More would have been better,” Dieter Graumann, president of the Central Committee of Jews, said. “These people are football idols and their visit would have had more of an impact than 1,000 of our speeches could have had,” he added.

    Team manager Oliver Bierhoff, head coach Joachim Löw and president of the German football federation, Wolfgang Niersbach, also visited the camp.

    “With the visit to Auschwitz, we wanted to show that a dark chapter of German history will never be forgotten and must never be repeated,” Bierhoff said.

    England's players are due to visit the Auschwitz site during the tournament and Roy Hodgson’s squad were given a talk on the Holocaust by two survivors last week.

    Graumann also accused Bierhoff of what he described as “provocation” for using the German word “Kamingespraech” (“fireside chat”) in the context of the Holocaust.

    The manager had said in an interview the day before the visit that the issue of the Holocaust would be addressed with players.

    “This could be in the form of a fireside chat or a lecture,” Bierhoff was quoted as saying.

    The use of such a word was unacceptable given the allusion to the fires of the Holocaust, Graumann said.
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    As Oliver Bierhof is now discovering, it's utterly futile to try and ingratiate yourself with the Jews!!

    They will ALWAYS pick up on something that is not to their liking and label you an 'anti-Semite'. He'd have been much better off making no comment and just staying out of this business altogether, thus giving them nothing to exploit, rather than being conciliatory and exposing himself to their (feigned) outrage.

    They don't care whether you're 'on their side' or not, if a chance comes along to raise the Holocaust™ issue they'll attack anyone

    Graumann also accused Bierhoff of what he described as “provocation” for using the German word “Kamingespraech” (“fireside chat”) in the context of the Holocaust.
    The more I read this quote, the more tenuous I find the (imaginary) reference to the Holocaust™ that Graumann is trying to establish. It's political opportunism at its worst, although I'm becoming convinced that some Jews do have a genuine mental disorder called 'compulsive victim syndrome'

    All I hope is that if Germany have a lousy tournament and afterwards they ask the manager why, he replies: "well, our preparation was ruined by a lack of training due to us spending so much bloody time in concentration camps"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loyalist View Post
    That, plus this whole fixation with Polish and Ukrainian racism in the media has transcended absurdity.
    Actually, I read an article yesterday about how the Dutch team were training in Krakow and how their coons were met with ape sounds from the crowd. I lol'd, too awesome.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    Shocking red card for Greece. Neither of those challenges were yellow cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Germania Magna View Post
    Shocking red card for Greece. Neither of those challenges were yellow cards.
    Definitely harsh. Greece is just slow and shambolic though, not surprised they're struggling.

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    Yes, it now looks as though Greece will be coming out of another 'Euro'

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    I was almost a little shocked about Russia's electrifying play, I was able to enjoy this game from a neutral perspective (unlike the first, where I sided with Greece: anything but Poland!). Very potent display of their skill, a team that knows each other well, serious contenders for at least the semifinal I should think.

    Except Kerzhakow, with his constant attempts to second base (marked by the corner flag) he ought to change his choice of sport.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
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    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    I think people only look in to two situations and then judging if the greek player deserverd the red card or not. As most of us we sit in front of our screens and post comments. Playing football myself for well over 15 years and I know by experience that a ref. won't just give a red card because of two occasions of foul play. Most of the time the ref. add up foul play during the game (that is invisible to us) to the player and sometimes it seems ridiculous why a player was awarded with a red card, but he most often knows why he got it.

    Second, I'm not suprised at all about the episode. I've never been a fan of greek football and never liked their way to play which to me seems more of a "hurt or kill the opponent" style. Don't get me wrong I like moments where players have extra testostosteron and play "though", but that's not the matter with greeks. I just don't like the macho style, that's it.

    Judging of the two games yesterday I think Russia and Poland will go from the group.

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    1. Lemberg/Lviv is the most "pro-SN" place in Ukr. Until 1919 the capital of Galicia was Austria-Hungaria anyway. So there could be no better place for the warm-up match.

    2. The Napoleonic Classic tomorrow 6pm takes place in Donezk, the former Stalino, which is the "Essen" of the East-Ukrainian coal-mining and steel district. The more pro-Russian natives will likely root for France there.

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    1. Lemberg/Lviv is the most "pro-SN" place in Ukr. Until 1919 the capital of Galicia was Austria-Hungaria anyway. So there could be no better place for the warm-up match.
    It became Austrian in 1772.
    The Austro-Hungarian empire where adopted in 1860-70's.
    By far the city was/is historically a Polish city with many jews living there.

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