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    Quote Originally Posted by Jens View Post
    Alright Scholl, an interesting take. Though I can't figure out why you see anti militarism and anti violence as a feminist principle. There is no reason that this would be more important to women than men, quite the opposite. I think men have far more reason to oppose war and violence since men are by far the primary victims and perpetrators of both.
    I'm tempted to wholeheartedly disagree with you, but it must be said that women have been by the side of men as they've gone on with their warring ways throughout history. Look no further than the present day. The West has attacked Afghanistan and Iraq and Libya, and the women - the modern liberated Western women - as a group have remained silent.

    I guess the point is I'm not talking about feminist principles so much as feminine principles. Men are the ones who historically have chosen to resolve disputes using military might. Women haven't. Men historically have run the public sphere. Women haven't.

    Beyond that, we're all accustomed to pondering what God might think, but no one as a rule bothers to ask what the Goddess might think. That there is the sign of a patriarchy, I would have thought.

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    Wow dude, are you going to launch into a sermon about the divine feminine? There is nothing innately peaceful and good and pure about women. THAT would be chauvinism. Why don't you ask American women how they feel about the war or violence? Or German women during WWII? Or the white feather girls in England? The most feminine, liberated societies in the world, the USA and the UK, have been the most militarily aggressive powers on earth since the feminist movement happened.

    EDIT: I should also point out, the most chauvinistic patriarchal society on earth, China, fought wars less frequently than anyone in recorded history.
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    This is not a fair judgement. Women historically have not had the opportunities that men have had.
    Most great inventions were created by white men. Western structure were built by white man. Whats stopping women for doing the same thing in the 21st feminism century? Because women are not builders,fighters,thinkers! All women do is care about makeup and looking pretty (That's a good thing, its nature for women to look attractive,its in our nature) at the same time pretending they are just as equal as men.

    Really, as a women myself, I have no intentions of building houses or an Empire, its not in my nature, even though the feminists are telling me I can build houses and an Empire.

    I want to be seen as the fairer sex. Why do everyone scream out about listening to feminists women's rights? what about women that are anti feminists? No-one wants to listen to our views.

    You can take the girl out of womanhood but you can not take the womanhood out of the girl. As soon as these feminists get this through their heads the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jens View Post
    Wow dude, are you going to launch into a sermon about the divine feminine? There is nothing innately peaceful and good and pure about women. THAT would be chauvinism. Why don't you ask American women how they feel about the war or violence? Or German women during WWII? Or the white feather girls in England? The most feminine, liberated societies in the world, the USA and the UK, have been the most militarily aggressive powers on earth since the feminist movement happened.
    We seem to both be gearing up to repeat the same thing to each other. I won't bother reposting what I've already said.

    Why does the phrase "launch into a sermon about the divine feminine?" have a pejorative sense to it? Oh, because there is nothing sacred about women. If that's the case then there is nothing sacred about anything.

    Where do you want to go with this? I'm unsure.

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    I believe in gender equality when it comes to individual value -- women are just as (not less, not more) valuable as men as people. I.E. they should have the right to vote, own property, basic right like that.

    I do not, however think our roles are equal in the sense of being the same.

    Men are better at things than women are and women are better at things than men are. Nature mean us to be complimentary, not supplementary. Mothering is far more critical in the early each of both sexes of children than the father's role, which comes later, and the feminist ideal of shoving women out of the home has ruined at least two generations now, who've had mothers too obsessed with careerism to be properly obsessed with motherhood.

    The jew has taken this even further. Once convincing women they have the "right" to work (oh boy), now they have them in the workplace, and say "Now that both man and woman are working, we don't have to pay as much. We can pay both less, and get two people for what we used to have to pay one." I don't know about foreign countries, but that's exactly how it's done in the States. Our inflation-adjusted wages have been decreasing since the 60's.

    Then they hold up "successful business women" as a role model for any girls who doesn't want to be a mindless sex machine. Yet, when you look into those women, they are often boozers or drug addicts (because although they achieved what they were told they are supposed to want, they are miserable), and tend to have around ZERO children.

    So, IMO modern feminism is disastrous to Aryan culture, and I think it was designed to be just that. I truly hope that when people wake up, the backlash is horrible to those that have engineered this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scholl View Post
    Where do you want to go with this? I'm unsure.
    Actually I was thinking more that esoteric feminism is a religious hate movement that advocates gender supremacy and genocide, while putting forth claims about human behavior and psychology that make Scientology look sane. I think that the relationship between men and women is sacred. No person, just the relationship, is sacred, because that is the cornerstone of human society. It's what put humanity on top. To deify a gender like that over the other is a just embracing a very extreme interpretation of what feminists dislike about patriarchy. It is among the purest forms of hypocrisy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scholl View Post
    Beyond that, we're all accustomed to pondering what God might think, but no one as a rule bothers to ask what the Goddess might think. That there is the sign of a patriarchy, I would have thought.
    Interestingly enough, all of the pagan (i.e. polytheist religions that actually have goddesses) religions have goddesses that seem to embrace the idea of men doing men's work and women doing women's work. Both men and women were prized when they excelled in their roles, and ridiculed when they tried to assume the other's roles (for instance Loki basically calling Odin a queer for practicing seidr -- woman's magic).

    Goddesses almost always (and always in Germanic and Celtic heathenry that I've seen) called upon MEN when it came time for conquering or expanding territory, diplomacy, etc. However it was WOMEN who were called upon to shape the children into strong adults. While the men were off doing men's work, it was the women responsible for educating and instilling character and morality into the children, and the mothers of great kings and warriors were always credited in great part to their success.

    People love to portray the barbarian warrior aspect to our ancestors, but forget that beings ood statesman and negotiator, particularly being able to outwit an opponent in the political or mercantile fields was as highly prized as being able to wield a sword. Let's face it, no one goes to war thinking "I'm so excited to go die for my chieftain." No, they are exciting about winning a war. But you don't want to go to war if you can wield words and make an alliance. Sure, if you conquer an opponent, you get his lands, his resources and his people. But you also pretty much have to eliminate his army and weaken your in the process. If you do it by diplomacy, you get an ally, still have access to his resources, but you still have your full army, and his to ward off a third party invader. War is only used when words fail. War is truly "diplomacy by other means".

    As far as women being easier on the environment, I don't see it. Not that they are any harder on it, mind you. In ancient times wealth was not measured as much with gold, as with cattle. You needed sustainable hay fields to keep your cattle over the long winters. You needed sustainable forests to have firewood through the winter, and to replace rotting wood in your dwellings, and you sure as anything needed sustainable agriculture. In modern times, we get away with more for the time being because we can produce more food than needed, though the methods will bite us in the ass in the future. But I don't see major corporations run by women stopping any of their destructive practices. So even when the house is run by hens, it's run the same.

    Not to mention pretty much everyone I've talked to about it (man and woman) said male bosses are less tyrannical and easier to deal with than female bosses. So much for the gentle matriarchy.

    So, in summary, I think you can read our religious texts and see our goddesses uphold the traditional roles and family structure, and can look at how things are really run, to see the traditional roles are what men and women are naturally designed for, do best at, and are happiest when doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heidixx View Post
    Most great inventions were created by white men. Western structure were built by white man. Whats stopping women for doing the same thing in the 21st feminism century? Because women are not builders,fighters,thinkers! All women do is care about makeup and looking pretty (That's a good thing, its nature for women to look attractive,its in our nature) at the same time pretending they are just as equal as men.

    Really, as a women myself, I have no intentions of building houses or an Empire, its not in my nature, even though the feminists are telling me I can build houses and an Empire.

    I want to be seen as the fairer sex. Why do everyone scream out about listening to feminists women's rights? what about women that are anti feminists? No-one wants to listen to our views.

    You can take the girl out of womanhood but you can not take the womanhood out of the girl. As soon as these feminists get this through their heads the better.
    I've read this carefully and I'm sorry, but I don't believe that you have addressed the point I made. Nothing is stopping women from reaching their full potential now that we have most of the same privileges that men do. I don't see any evidence that women are not taking advantage of the opportunities open to them in the 21st century. In fact, I've read that women's college enrolments and graduations far exceed those of men nowadays! I'm sorry, but I don't know how to answer the claim that women only care about looking pretty. I think it is self evidently not the case, and it strikes me as a malicious stereotype which I am saddened to see another woman supporting...

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    The two main injustices women face in the western world today is 1) rapes and 2) the objectification of women.

    Feminists definately don`t know how to handle the rape-problem, engaging in their slut walks to mock police officers and men who try to HELP them to avoid getting raped. Also, feministis don`t seem to notice the correlation between rapes - high immigration.
    As for the objectification thing, feminists just replace one unhealthy norm (big breasted self-proclaimed sluts engaging in sexist hiphop- and r`n`b-music videos) with another unhealthy norm (masculinized bitter lesbians who sits around all day trying to academically deconstruct gender roles).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sågverksarbetaren View Post
    feminists just replace one unhealthy norm (big breasted self-proclaimed sluts engaging in sexist hiphop- and r`n`b-music videos)
    I've seen some feminists say this is a positive thing for women, since it "empowers" them by giving women more power to manipulate men, or something...
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