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    Question Sacrifices by the Cabalist Jews

    I have heard of this sacrifice before, but in the past it was referred to as Satanist. However, in this article it is said to have been done by Cabalist Jews.
    What is the connection between these two groups?
    What Henry Makow called ‘the most famous instance of Satanic Jewish human ritual sacrifice’ took place in Damascus:

    The salient points about the Damascus Affair are 1. a prominent Italian Capuchin monk, father Tommaso was ritually slaughtered (and his blood drained) by prominent Cabalist Jews. Seymour Light
    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=48590

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhardt
    What is the connection between these two groups?
    The question is: where's the difference?

    I hate to quote Jebus, but he said to the priest class:
    “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it,” (John 8:44)

    Now, these priests were Jews, and their "god" is YHWH, the same god as in christianity. In contrast to what many christians claim and what they want to believe, christianity is a continuation of Judaism, neither a new and even less a contra-religion. If it was, there would be no Old Testament, their god would be someone else etc. But as it turns out, Catholicism declared Jebus, YHWH and the "holy spirit" even to be one and the same, thus effectively neutralising Jesu statement, and leaving the gentile confused.

    In Judaism, there is no "deity" Satan, Satan is a concept, the ultimate enemy, that can be different people at different times. It's not a supernatural being per se, or the "Evil" as such. It's quite wordly. This distinction got somehow lost in the gentiles, they constantly mix up Devil with Satan, hence the term Satanism, meaning in uninitiated christian terms "devil worship", when it's actually not the same thing.

    Have a look into Sumerian / Babylonian mythology, there's the earlier version of the deicide by a lower deity that kills all others to become the supreme deity, no longer protector but power hungry, ie Marduk, the originally only city deity of Babylon who usurps total power, also ingesting the actual powers of the other deities. The bible errs by making YHWH and Ba'al/Marduk two different deities, they are one and the same. Marduk made man from mud and the Blood of Kingu, as servants of the gods. Marduk is called "shepherd" and "herdsman", he made the world from Tiamat (the great beast) who he killed too (his mother) and by that act gained total control (tricking the other deities into 'voluntary' giving him their powers and power over their destiny, effectively making them non-deities), one of her children is Leviathan in Jewish mythology, the beast 666 (or 616 depending on who you ask), which is the actual "devil" in the bible, when it actually should be Marduk/YHWH, if their claim that it's a counter-religion to Judaism was true. (In early versions of christianity god and Jesus was not one and the same, but indeed "adversaries" (satan means adversary), one of the reasons why jews hate Jesus, catholicism neutralised it though; and while christians in their blindness somehow think the Jews suck for having killed their own savior (which is another scam story of a very wordly nature), they still worship the Jews' god as 'father' of Jesus/Jesus as reincarnation of YHWH, so it became the greatest master deceit in human history)

    The Cabalist rites of Jews do not worship the devil, but the original properties of the Marduk entity, and Marduk (aka YHWH or the christian god) was by no means a "good" god. For the protection of Babylon, and subsequently the cities and regions he subdued by taking the power from all other deities, he demanded human sacrifice regularly. The christians, at least the lower ranks, may not even be aware of that, I'll give them that. But throughout history secret societies of the christian creed cover (Knights Templar, Rosicrucians etc) continued to know who their master really is. It's hardly believeable otherwise why 109 expulsions never resulted in no Jews in Europe anymore. Somehow they must have been able to return, and they must have had protection. And this protection is essentially Catholicism. They rooted out the "conflicting" sects, most fervently every that questioned the "trinity" doctrine, and the catholic rite continues the same rite as in Jewish passover with the "blood" and "bread", even though it's nowadays cheap table wine and paper hosts. For the Jews, it's enough that they pour psychic energy to Marduk, while the Jews may keep the actual reward to them because only they do the full thing. But who knows, there's rumours that these same "Satanic" rituals are done within the Vatican too and the high ranks of the Anglican church as well, so I wouldnt bet too much on it that they're all unaware. Just the sheeple is.
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    “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it,” (John 8:44)
    Jesus says their father is the devil, but they still worship Yahweh?

    Now, these priests were Jews, and their "god" is YHWH, the same god as in christianity.
    In the article it says Jews are atheist since the Talmud is merely a law book, and the old testament is then history.

    John 14:9, where Jesus said, "He who has seen me has seen the Father."
    ___"That's a very difficult statement," he said. "We believe that there is one God who has revealed himself in the Old Testament and the New Testament. We must be very clear that to reject Jesus Christ is to reject the Father."
    http://www.baptiststandard.com/2001/...es/mohler.html

    The Jewish revolutionary idea is that God is one. This idea allows for God's unity and uniqueness as a creative force. Thus, for Jews, God is the creator of all that we like and all that we don't. There is no evil force with an ability to create equal to God's.
    http://www.angelfire.com/al/AttardBe...Difference.htm

    christianity is a continuation of Judaism, neither a new and even less a contra-religion.
    Why would Jesus reject the pharisees so completely if he were a continuation of them? and they in turn wanted him dead?

    they constantly mix up Devil with Satan, hence the term Satanism, meaning in uninitiated christian terms "devil worship"
    In the opening statement Jesus called them son of the Devil, not Satan.

    Satan is a concept, the ultimate enemy
    Are they the ultimate enemy of Christians? because in your opening sentence you said "where's the difference".

    he demanded human sacrifice regularly
    Why would Yahweh want Christians to be sacrificed by Jews, if they have the same God?

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    The question is: where's the difference?

    I hate to quote Jebus, but he said to the priest class:
    “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it,” (John 8:44)
    Ok I have to admit that was pretty dam funny!

    Put yo hands together for Jebus!

    Anyway
    As far as the word Satan it is a Hebrew word Ha, Satan. Laterally The Adversary. So yes it does mean physical adversary, but I'm pretty sure it could also be used to refer to "The Devil" or a fallen angel.

    I do think that some of the Early Christians were somewhat Kabalistic because the Zohar which is the primary book they use was likely written around the same time.

    As far as Kabala not too sure about all of it, so I will not comment on that for now and will leave that door open for the moment.

    IE 70 or so AD.

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    It's hardly believeable otherwise why 109 expulsions never resulted in no Jews in Europe anymore.
    The Christian Kings were using them for usury, since according to Jesus, Christians would go to hell for charging interest, but Jewish bankers do not have that problem according to their religion, or whatever it is.

    It seems one of the main differences is the Christians consider Yahweh to be only good, whereas Jews consider Yahweh to be good and bad, although many are atheist these days.

    Knights Templar performed usury which was prohibited by Jesus, but I have not studied them. It was prohibited in the old and new testament, but then the Talmud allows it.
    (Ezekiel 22). Id. at 17. The usurer was also classed with the liar, the unrighteous, the backbiter, the slanderer and perjurer, and denied the right to inherit the New Jerusalem (Psalm 15). Id. The usurer is further classed with the meanest and lowest of men and the vilest of criminals (Ezekiel 18). Id.
    http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/usury2.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhardt View Post
    Jesus says their father is the devil, but they still worship Yahweh?



    In the article it says Jews are atheist since the Talmud is merely a law book, and the old testament is then history.
    It is a "Law" book.
    A compilation of Rabbinical Opinion on what they think the bible says.

    Biblical Case Law if you have it.
    Same reason we have an F-ed Up US Constitution today.
    The Opinions of Judges taken to the extreme.

    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhardt View Post
    Why would Jesus reject the pharisees so completely if he were a continuation of them? and they in turn wanted him dead?
    Because of the above, case Law.
    The Talmud was taken to extremes and was an avenue to make "The Law" mean any dam thing they wanted. The same thing that happens when you allow judicial legislation by the US Supreme Court Judges today.

    It is called Extremism.

    Obviously when Jesus told them to stick it where the sun don’t shine, they had some issues to say the least.

    Here is a thought experiment.

    Lets say you walk into today’s Supreme Court and call Elena Kagan a Fat Jewish Hypocritical Feminist Bitch, kick over the table and tell her Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the other commies to get the hell out or you are going to kick some Marxist Commie Ass.

    How long do you think it would take them to arrest you and have you declared a "Terrorist".

    That is assuming they didn’t blast you on sight.

    Well this is what Jesus did in fact do.

    Only unlike you Jesus had a following, so the Sanhedrin was just a tad bit afraid of him and that he might be able to raise and Army and cord both them and their Roman Protectors off in the Temple and burn the sucker to the ground.

    If you read further in the NT you will find the Sanhedrin solution to the Jesus problem was to arrest him at night, crucify him and sweep the whole thing under the rug.
    >>>>>>>>>>


    Unfortunately it didn’t work out that easy, as none of this stuff ever does, and Christianity became a force to be dealt with because it more or less split Jews into various camps.

    Sadducees or the Priest, Pharisees, or the Religious legal authorities and then Judean Plebeians. As more or less happened in other parts of the Empire people were tired of Roman Rule and rebelled.

    Rome under the Roman general Titus crushed the Rebellion and the Temple system including the corrupt priest in 70 AD.

    But this did not end the conflict there would be two more wars. Christianity spread through the empire and the Romans could NOT stop it with force.

    And as such it eventually came to Germanic’s through trade routs and evangelicalism form missionary’s. And finally with the Catholic Church or the "Universal Church" and their efforts to convert the Pagans Leaders.

    The Romans learned the lesson that, force cannot always stop a foe, nor can it stop ideology or Religion. Jews learned that they were not the "Chosen Ones" and that gentiles could also latch on to ideas they thought were only theirs.

    Such is Life and the Rest is History.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhardt View Post
    Jesus says their father is the devil, but they still worship Yahweh?
    If you are doing what I think you are doing, and using that passage to claim that Jesus hated Jews, then you would be wrong. This part of the Bible is taken out of context so many times. He is not denying the Jews as the Israelites, he is saying that because they do not follow him, they are of the devil, which is outlined in this quote:
    But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. -- Matthew 10:33
    Again, that is a particular group of Jews, not Jews in general.

    To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- John 8:31-32
    Some more quotes

    "But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus -- Acts 21:39 "
    "Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I. -- 2 Corinthians 11:22".
    These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel" -- Matthew 10:5-6:
    At Iconium Paul and Barnabas went as usual into the Jewish synagogue. There they spoke so effectively that a great number of Jews and Gentiles believed. -- Acts 14:
    I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. -- Romans 1:16:

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    The article sets Jahwe and Satan basically as the one and same entity and then proclaiming it is dead since 2000 years without explaining anything why that should be so.

    Satanism today is still done and ritual human sacrifice is done too for the very reason that it works.

    Demons do not die, the same is with every spiritual beings including humans.

    The fall of the angel is a history in many religions including the aryan slavianic veda. that is the reason why the celestian areas got closed and then guarded, in the norse heathen religion by Heimdallr, in the christian copycats by an archangel.

    Satan is a real entity and exists not only outside of people but also inside, producing aims, thoughts desires, negative emotions etc. All this is opposed to the 'good' part of humans which most religions teach to use to advance to the celestial areas, which are generally described as very desirable to men. Religion then has the task to purge humans from their satanist part and make them pure so they can be accepted in heaven and then trusted to not create more turmoil and trouble up there.

    So that is the task of religion to split people in half and kill one side which I guess you guessed is an evil deed in itself, using the method of oppression and killing.

    A heathen seeks freedom from both sides in will not fall into the traps of 'good' and 'bad' behaviour. He tries to stay outside of that thinking box. The Bhagavad Gita gives some good hints to it. A heathen realizes that he is a God himself and is not a slave to anyone, including some ghosts coming along and telling them they are God or Satan or anything. (they can be nice or humorous or whatever, but they do not have the power we have).

    Satanists or Jews are creatures which succumbed to dark entities, commonly called demons which thrives on certain things, basically it is their food, like negative emotions, blood sacrifice etc.

    The christian God feeds on positive emotions like love, prayers good deeds etc. Same thing here but different color.

    The darkies and the light beings hate each other and try to catch as many people as possible to increase their power base. you guessed it the Planet Earth is a battle ground between those forces. Make no mistake, they are real.

    In the history of us Aryan you find many clues of human sacrifice and ritual cannibalism. It is the heritage of the time of matriachy. the great Mother gives lives and takes lives (blessed be the Lord, who obviously does the same as he is most likely an hermaphrodite).

    The difference is that in aryan human sacrifices the sacrificee agreed upon being killed and most likely was not tortured but, well, sacrificed, meaning made sacred. It is energetically different and infact enhances the person, which is the reason he/she afterwards was eaten, because the body then contained sacred holy high energy. The christian last supper is a hint of this practice which most likely was performed after aryan ritual, not jewish ritual.

    So the difference between aryan and jewish human sacrifice is that the first is not doing it anymore and the later one obviously still feeds it's demons.


    The aryan people realized that they are Gods themselves and do not need any human sacrifice to other entities posing as higher as themselves.

    Whereas Jews as slaves to demons are obliged to feed their demons. Who do not enhance the person sacrificed to them but debases them.
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    In the last supper Jesus sacrificed himself to other people and later on the cross to his God/Jahwe with being tortured, though he supposedly kept his negativity in check. That is Jesus sacrificed himself to other people out of 'goodness' and later on the cross he proofed his 'goodness' as he did not become negative as supposed to, he did not fear or cursed anybody and thus cheated the Jewish demon on his supper.

    Odin teaches us to sacrifice ourselves to ourselves. Meaning to make oneself sacred for and through oneself and enhancing oneself through it.

    For us heathen it is a great sin to try to become immortal as we already are so, it is therefore a waste of time and energies. And for sure there are Jahwes and Gods and what not around who like to steal our energies. That's why sacrifice ourselves to ourselves and not to Gods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhardt
    Jesus says their father is the devil, but they still worship Yahweh?
    As I explained, YHWH, the Devil, Marduk it's all one and the same deity. Marduk is the Babylonian name, while YHWH is the Hebrew version of that name (or of one of the 50 names of Marduk).

    To understand the bit it's maybe noteworthy that before there was a "universal" god as sold by christianity, there were only folk gods. The gods are the fathers of a people, so like the Blood of Odin runs in our veins, so does the blood of Marduk/YHWH run in the veins of Jews.

    Islam originally was an Arab religion only, this only changed at the end of their Golden Age in the 12th century for political reasons. Before that, Infidels could be teached parts of the law so as to make them good slaves, but they could not become Moslems proper. The distinction can still be seen in the House-system in Islam (Dar-al Islam, Dar-al Harb etc, originally this was a folk-based distinction). So even Islam originally was a religion for one people only, and so was christianity too, before it was twisted for export to Gentiles.

    The "universal" god is wishful thinking and the Grand Lie of humanity. The relationship, as still outlined by the concept of "chosen people", cannot be losened. It's often claimed that YHWH had turned his back on the Jews and chose Gentiles instead. But you cannot override a bloodrelation through wishful thinking, now matter how hard you wish.


    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhardt
    In the article it says Jews are atheist since the Talmud is merely a law book, and the old testament is then history.
    Well, they dont believe in their god because they know that their god exists and is real. Belief is for Gentile sheeple. But does that make them "atheists"? That's a complicated statement to make, and essentially not true.


    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhardt
    John 14:9, where Jesus said, "He who has seen me has seen the Father."
    ___"That's a very difficult statement," he said. "We believe that there is one God who has revealed himself in the Old Testament and the New Testament. We must be very clear that to reject Jesus Christ is to reject the Father."
    Jesus being a Jew was - if he then incarnated and was not just a rebellious priest himself who found the practices of his fellow priests increasingly disgusting - too "son" of YHWH/Marduk. So yes, rejecting Jesus means rejecting god.

    Something that Gentiles indeed should do, because YHWH does not have love for Non-Jews.

    But when Jesus and YHWH are one and the same, then this excludes quite fundamentally that christianity is a new religion. It maybe changes the modus operandi, but not the objects and subjects within.


    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhardt
    The Jewish revolutionary idea is that God is one. This idea allows for God's unity and uniqueness as a creative force. Thus, for Jews, God is the creator of all that we like and all that we don't. There is no evil force with an ability to create equal to God's.
    http://www.angelfire.com/al/AttardBe...Difference.htm
    Marduk acquired all power of other gods, and now is "one" indeed (although Marduk originally was a city deity, so the world did already exist and had other cities with other city deities, the Jewish twisted version later places the event of "deicide" before the creation of the world, which is then made from Tiamat). And he's both the good and the evil, the other deities, though still alive, dont have any power anymore (ie can no longer create) but are subject to Marduk/YHWH who possesses the tables (taken from Tiamat) and with that power over all fates of both gods and men.

    Neither Judaism nor Christianity are really monotheistic, despite that they claim to be. They employ an army of lower, disempowered deities, spheres of angels and demons which are populated by millions of them, there are Saints and 'virgin' mothers and fathers of Jesus/god, etc. It's really not monotheistic at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhardt
    Why would Jesus reject the pharisees so completely if he were a continuation of them? and they in turn wanted him dead?
    Because the pharisees (priests) established power over the political sphere too, where service to god doesnt belong. In older, pre-christian societies both spheres were carefully seperated, on one hand the leaders of a people, on the other the priests. The downfall of ancient Greece was accompanied by the abuse of the priestesses and seeresses of the oracles through the political leaders, mixing both spheres, creating an ultimately corrupt system. The gods used to be the checks for corrupt leaders, by silencing the critique of their actions or lack thereof, and crippling the gods' ability to judge, they acquired absolute power, and we know that absolute power corrupts absolutely. So the pharisees claimed power over the societal and political, subdueing these under their own desires, and blocking the communication with the divine by claiming that only they can possibly know what god wants, establishing themselves as the wordly power. This is what Jesus criticised and attacked in the pharisees.

    An addition to the "atheist" claim is in connection with this too. The Jews, even those who do service according to the law book and book of religion, dont really "worship" god, they do deals with him. They see themselves as only minimally lower, and when they sacrifice, they demand their reward for it. It's a very "economic" view, you pay (sacrifice) and get a product (material or immaterial gain) in exchange. It's a deal. From a christian viewpoint, who consider themselves basically as insects compared to god, this may seem like they were atheists, because there's nothing really "above" them. Indeed, much of the Jewish / pharisee relation to god makes it seem that god is supposed to serve them instead of the other way round. And in as much as god(s) require "service" to them to retain their position, they are dependent of those who do the service, ie men. Certainly the Jews understand and make use of this mutual dependency, and lacking humility entirely, they may indeed occasionally command god to do their will. Doesnt make them "atheist" though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhardt
    In the opening statement Jesus called them son of the Devil, not Satan.
    Yes, but I explained how christians coined the term Satanism for Devil Worship, which is, like so many other things, only a misunderstanding by christians. It's simply not the same thing, although christians do think it is.

    For the Jews there are public rites, and there are "cabalist" (which means only hidden or not public and bound to criteria of selection, ie initates while non-initiates are blocked from knowing; the Kabala used to be entirely oral, until Crowley obtained parts of the knowledge and published it in bookform) rites, but both are service to god, to always the same god. The "Devil" may be understood rather as the "dark" side of this god that is one, while christians again got it wrong and made it two different entities. But if god is one, and of everything that is good and bad, and if the claim of monotheism was true, there'd be no "Devil" or "Satan" in christianity. Making them two is another of the schizophrenic misunderstandings in christianity. And it may be noted that not Jews call the cabalistic rites "Satanic", christians do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhardt
    Are they the ultimate enemy of Christians? because in your opening sentence you said "where's the difference".
    Jews are the "enemies" of Jesus the priest who told them that they cannot claim the position in relation to god (see above) and wanted them to humble themselves again.

    And to a certain degree they may see christians as enemies, on the other hand christianity is the tool that keeps the Gentiles in check and allows them control over them. It's an ambivalent relation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhardt
    Why would Yahweh want Christians to be sacrificed by Jews, if they have the same God?
    Because it's so much more worthy of a sacrifice than any random non-Jew. They've promised their soul to YHWH anyway, but christians are (mostly) Gentiles, YHWH does not have any obligation to them. Christians are the most worthy sacrifice though because they've tuned their soul and psychic energy towards the worship of YHWH, thus their energies, when they're eaten (blood in the bread; blood as the 'vessel' of the soul), are ingested by those who eat it to empower them.

    Human sacrifices mostly are members of the same faith. It used to be mostly to the fertility gods of a cult, one life of the tribe for the fertility of the land, for the life of the tribe as a whole. Other occasions of human sacrifice are sacrifices to the war gods, then defeated enemies are sacrificed as a "thank you" so to speak for war luck. Since tribes of the same race/culture also went to war against each other this too often is still a sacrifice from the pool of people of this god, or at least the same pantheon.
    The Maori do both, they sacrifice the defeated leader in fire to their gods (the soul) and eat him to ingest his energies and increase their own power. They're not canibalists per se, only for this occasion when one tribe defeated another.

    It is indeed a precondition of the "normal" human sacrifices to be of the same god's people to be successful and a worthy sacrifice.
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