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    Golden Dawn and the Rise of Greek Nationalism

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    Be afraid, exultant Greek neo-Nazis warn rivals

    ATHENS — Greek neo-Nazi party Golden Dawn warned rivals and reformers Sunday that "the time for fear has come" after exit polls showed them securing their entry in parliament for the first time.

    "The time for fear has come for those who betrayed this homeland," Golden Dawn leader Nikos Michaloliakos told a news conference at an Athens hotel, flanked by menacing shaven-headed young men.

    "We are coming," the 55-year-old said as supporters threw firecrackers outside.

    According to updated exit polls, the once-marginal party will end up winning over six percent of the vote and sending 19 deputies to the 300-seat parliament on a wave of immigration and crime fears, as well as anti-austerity anger.

    Exulting in the apparent breakthrough, Michaloliakos quoted Julius Caesar: "Veni, Vidi, Vici" -- I came, I saw, I conquered.

    Michaloliakos said his party would fight against "world usurers" and the "slavery" of an EU-IMF loan agreement which he likened to a "dictatorship".

    "Greece is only the beginning," he shouted at reporters as he walked to the news conference, accusing foreign media of spreading lies about his movement.

    At the last general election in 2009, the virulently anti-immigrant group had scored just 0.29 percent.

    Once part of the country's political fringe, the Hryssi Avgi (Golden Dawn) had already made headlines in 2010 by electing Michaloliakos, 55, to Athens' city council on a wave of anti-immigration tension in the capital's poorer districts.

    Shortly after being elected to the council thanks to more than 10,000 votes in the Greek capital, Michaloliakos made waves by giving two fascist salutes captured by a television camera.

    A mathematician, Michaloliakos has said Greece could survive "very nicely" without the EU-IMF recovery deal.

    "Certainly we should break the agreement," he told the Athens News English-language weekly last month.

    "After that, we will survive very nicely. Greece is a rich country," he said, adding that the country would not necessarily have to return to the drachma.

    On his agenda, Michaloliakos said his focus would be on "national issues, social issues, the problem of illegal immigration, attribution of responsibility for all scandals."

    All illegal migrants "should leave our country," he said.

    Golden Dawn has strengthened on the back of the country's deep economic crisis -- it has been bailed out twice -- with unemployment at 20 percent and poverty rising.

    It has portrayed immigrants as stealing Greeks' jobs and as being responsible for a wave of crime, as the country is the first point of entry for many illegal migrants into the European Union.

    The mainstream parties on the right, including New Democracy of the country's likely next prime minister Antonis Samaras, have been forced to boost their own anti-migration rhetoric to keep up.

    The outgoing coalition government planned a network of detention camps around the country to hold migrants earmarked for repatriation, and its socialist predecessors began building a wire fence on the Greek-Turkish border as a deterrent.

    With Greece the main entry-point for illegal migrants into Europe, thousands of migrants unable to cross to other EU states due to legal constraints have created urban ghettos in Athens, Patras and other cities.

    Hostility from local residents has spiked in recent months with the deterioration of an economic crisis that has brought recession and hundreds of thousands of job losses in Greece.

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    For Michaloliakos, Sunday’s advance into Parliament is only the first step in taking control of the country.

    “We will fight for our country. We don’t mind the sacrifice. Whoever is not with us is against us. We will not go back,” he told a rally outside his party’s offices that night.

    “Nobody can stop 100,000 members of Golden Dawn,” he said, “and if they bring tanks, they should know they (the Greek military) will be with us.” As for the election results, he said the party actually won 10 percent, not 7. Then he predicted: “The 7 percent will become 17 percent, which will become 27 percent, and then the country will pass into our hands.”

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/0...ise-after.html


    Mr Michaloliakos, who was involved in the military dictatorship which ended in 1974, was elected to the council leadership of a borough of central Athens two years ago where he upset fellow councillors by performing Nazi salutes.

    In speeches made prior to this year's election campaign he has made repeated threats against journalists, political opponents and immigrants. Addressing a crowd of supporters he said: "They haven't understood that when we have the power we will be merciless."

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-7720682.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by Germania Magna View Post
    Interesting video.

    And yes, same style, similar contents, same anger and frustration that pours out of this populist, so the title "Hitler style speech" is not an exaggeration. The only difference is that he avoids the j-word (understandably), calling the enemy press "yellow press" while Hitler called them the "jewish press".

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCP3 View Post
    Interesting video.

    And yes, same style, similar contents, same anger and frustration that pours out of this populist, so the title "Hitler style speech" is not an exaggeration. The only difference is that he avoids the j-word (understandably), calling the enemy press "yellow press" while Hitler called them the "jewish press".
    I don't think it comes that close to Hitler speech, maybe German sounds just much more powerful but I thought he was lacking that power in his voice and that fierce determination to liken the speech to one of Hitlers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mvix View Post
    I don't think it comes that close to Hitler speech, maybe German sounds just much more powerful but I thought he was lacking that power in his voice and that fierce determination to liken the speech to one of Hitlers.
    For a direct contest:
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    Quote Originally Posted by MCP3 View Post
    Interesting video.

    And yes, same style, similar contents, same anger and frustration that pours out of this populist, so the title "Hitler style speech" is not an exaggeration. The only difference is that he avoids the j-word (understandably), calling the enemy press "yellow press" while Hitler called them the "jewish press".
    Will Greece show Europe the way?

    Athens, Greece—The big winners of Greece’s election this week were parties far removed from the political center. From the leftist SYRIZA, which came in second place with 17 percent of the vote, to the far-right Independent Greeks, who ended up with 11 percent, and the racist extremists of Golden Dawn, who gained 7 percent, the non-mainstream parties received an alarmingly large share of the total vote. What’s less clear, however, is what the vote tallies mean. Were they simply a reflection of anger against the ruling parties that have presided over the country’s current economic freefall? Or were they an endorsement of the extremist parties’ specific platforms?

    Taking the election results at face value is a frightening prospect. After all, nearly all the far-left and far-right parties have argued for policies that would almost certainly force Greece to abandon the euro, a move that would, in turn, have drastic effects on Greece’s economic life, as well as its relations with the rest of Europe. (In the case of Golden Dawn’s rabidly xenophobic platform, the consequences would be considerably more harrowing than that.) But there’s also reason to doubt that this is really what the Greek public wants: In poll after poll, the majority of Greeks have expressed their desire to remain members of the euro zone.

    Over the course of the campaign, I talked with Greek supporters of these extremist parties to see if these political claims could be reconciled. What I found under the surface of the slogans was a more complicated—but not much more reassuring—reality.

    Last Wednesday, I attended a Golden Dawn pre-election rally at the seaside promenade of Palaio Faliro in the southern suburbs of Athens. The area was dotted with joggers, cyclists, and more languid souls, sauntering about enjoying the view of the Saronic islands in the purplish blue of early dusk. Golden Dawn’s pro-Nazi sympathizers were doing all they could do disrupt the peaceful atmosphere. Military-style songs blared in the background, skinheaded “ushers” directed supporters where to stand and the party’s spokesman taunted a small gathering of local leftist protesters as “dirtbags.”

    “I will vote for Golden Dawn to resist those who want to destroy our country, through economic pressure and biological extinction,” one man told me, referring to the continued austerity regime and the mass influx of illegal immigrant into Greece in the past few years. He was an electrician, in his forties, and looked nothing like a wild-eyed nationalist. Asked whether he worried that Golden Dawn, which proposes to eject all immigrants from the country and to place landmines on the Greek border with Turkey to prevent new ones from coming in, is too extreme, he was adamant: “The stance of the movement”—this is how he referred to the party—“is normal.”

    Another man, a retired police officer, who identified himself as a former supporter of New Democracy (the mainstream conservatives), said he would vote for Golden Dawn “because they speak of Greece, of cleansing the political system and of kicking out all the dirty foreigners.” He stopped supporting New Democracy, he said, because “I got tired of 30 years of lies and stealing at the expense of the people.” Did he not fear the prospect of Greece exiting the euro and the European Union if anti-European parties made a strong showing in the election? “No. It is New Democracy and PASOK [the socialists, who governed for most of the past 30 years] that purposefully present the danger of an exit from the EU to prevent people from voting for Golden Dawn. It is they that stand to lose if we get out of Europe.”

    ...

    http://www.tnr.com/article/world/103...wn-euro-crisis
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    Concern, threat, or merely a statement of the obvious?

    Athens - Greek journalists on Tuesday accused the ultra-nationalist Golden Dawn party of intimidation after they became the first far-right group to enter parliament since military dictatorship ended.

    At a news conference after securing 7% of the vote on Sunday, Golden Dawn members ordered journalists to stand to attention for party leader Nikolaos Mihaloliakos. Many journalists left the room in protest.

    Mihaloliakos also marched down the street on Sunday flanked by muscular men with shaved heads and tight t-shirts, and yelling "liars!" at the foreign journalists following him.

    "The Greek Federation of Journalists (POESY) warns Hitler nostalgics and especially the 'brave boys in black t-shirts' that no journalist will be coerced, threatened and above all terrorised," the union said in a statement.

    The Athens Union of Journalists (ESIEA) said: "Acting like bouncers, they showed their true colours. We are not afraid of you. We will reveal your role. You will not have your way."

    Promising to rid Greece of immigrants and with a swastika-like logo, Golden Dawn is the first far-right party to enter parliament since the fall of the military dictatorship in 1974.

    The party, which denies that it is neo-Nazi, rose from obscurity in just over a year by appealing to Greeks who feel that a rise in crime driven by five years of recession has made the streets unsafe.

    Many Greeks were shocked by its success, also fuelled in part by anger with the two parties that have been in power for decades and led Greece into its debt crisis: the conservative New Democracy and the socialist Pasok.

    http://www.news24.com/World/News/Gre...lying-20120508
    Sounds like Mihaloliakos fancies himself a putch...
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    Just some thoughts after watching that video: times change and the magic of tribal-nationalism catches up with technology as expected. But there is a flavor of nationalism in the form of a constricting, sadistic, disciplined police state we're going to have to keep our eyes on in my opinion. What can we learn from National Socialism, but what should we discard and get right when the time comes? If this movement doesn't join sides with the environmental and natural paradigms it will be destroyed. Also, these guy's "FEAR US!" isn't a good way to win support, though the only people who should be afraid are the bankers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mvix View Post
    I don't think it comes that close to Hitler speech, maybe German sounds just much more powerful but I thought he was lacking that power in his voice and that fierce determination to liken the speech to one of Hitlers.
    You must remember that this man is older than Hitler when he came to power. This Greek leader is something like twenty years older. Of course he will not have the same vigor and righteous determination as that of a younger Hitler.

    He still did a pretty damn fine job.


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    I know not the true loyalties of this party, nor the actions of its leadership really but I can say that the mere popularity, existence and momentum this force has behind it is inspiring indeed. May Greece be on Western civilization's and national sovereignty's side and not on the side of the banker princes.
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    It's not surprising that fringe parties on both sides of the political spectrum get so many votes in a country torn apart by economic crisis. Even though Golden Dawn (the ethno-nationalist party) got an unprecedented success, the Marxist-Leninist parties also had a massive upsurge in votes. The net losers of this election were the Greek mainstream parties, who were behind this debt crisis in the first place. Not surprisingly, the media has focused entirely on the "extreme right" here, while conveniently ignoring the leftists.

    The shouting and threats are a bit unnecessary, and will just scare off potential voters. Also, surely I'm not the first one who thinks the Golden Dawn leader physically looks like a toad? A rather racially dubious fellow, not exactly the best PR material. IMO, the woman interviewed in this news clip (starting at about 0:45) would be a far more photogenic speaker for the group:

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