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    Backing for SYRIZA stood at 25.5 percent - almost 9 points up on its Sunday result, but down from 27.7 percent in the previous poll on May 10
    Today is May 12, and within a few days polls "indicate" 9 points difference. In other words, these polls obviously indicate nothing

    In addition, polls are not votes, maybe specially currently in Greece where people are angered and disappointed by the inability of the "mainstream" parties. The now planned negotiations on basically an "all-parties that are pro-bailout (and debt enslavement forever)" coalition, which will fail too since this fraction are parties who'd otherwise never go together, may well help to turn away more votes from them.

    Greece must leave the Euro, if they want to have a future, this is something that the "pro-bailout" parties and voters have not yet understood. Of the last 110billion Euro "Greece" got, in fact only 10bio went into Greece, the rest went to banks which by and large are not Greek banks, but mainly German, French, Luxemburg banks. And the next tranch of bailout will basically go to Allianz and other insurance companies throughout Europe, but again only a tiny fraction will actually go into Greece. It also doesnt reduce their actual debts, they are just moved to different places and the time for payback is expanded. But what does that really help? They will still not have money for investments, the Troika will still tell them what they can and can not do (most of all the Troika wants to cut down the military budget which will leave the border to Turkey open wide for all the Illegals who want to come), actual investments will not be possible, more public services will be cut down, universities closed, jobs will be not available and Greece already has more than 40% unemployed in the group of under 25 year olds. All that to continue to dream of the Euro? Please.

    It's time to wake up for Greece and get out of that nightmare.

    I agree with Loyalist, the current Theatre of Failure should actually bring some more votes for non-mainstream parties, of which Golden Dawn should profit too. If... if the Greek people understand that the Euro (and the EU) does in fact not help them, but keeps them down.
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    I hope that people will realize that the more "moderate" nationalist party is in favor of keeping to the EMU-deal and vote accordingly. That could mean a lot more vote for GD.

    I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Go Greece!

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Just read on the newsticker that Venizelos failed to create a coalition and gave back the mandate. Seems there will be new elections.

    Good or bad for Golden Dawn?
    I think that we could soon get a military government in Greece. First the centre will fail, then the Left will try to take over, then we take over with the military. Historically thats the pattern. So its no problem whatsoever if the Left wins new elections. The Left wont be able to stop the collapse of the Greek economy, likely they would accelerate the decline. Then Greece will be ready for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Germania Magna View Post
    I think that we could soon get a military government in Greece. First the centre will fail, then the Left will try to take over, then we take over with the military. Historically thats the pattern. So its no problem whatsoever if the Left wins new elections. The Left wont be able to stop the collapse of the Greek economy, likely they would accelerate the decline. Then Greece will be ready for us.
    Neither the EU nor NATO is going to tolerate that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredericus Rex View Post
    Neither the EU nor NATO is going to tolerate that.
    Whether they can stop it is another matter. They didnt stop it in Greece last time. It would be the first time since WWII that a European country has been invaded to depose a nationalist government. Im not saying that they wouldnt do it but we will have to wait and see what happens.

    France will likely be a more important strategic gain for us than Greece because France is a nuclear power. WWII gives us some idea of what the battle for the continent could entail and a nuclear power behind us would be key. Britain remains mainly outside of the Euro crisis for now, strong and a threat to nationalism. That has grieved me this evening.

    These are early days in peak oil. The production of oil peaked in 2006 and is now on a plateau, inelastic and unable to expand to meet rising demand and higher prices, which is hampering economic recovery. The price of oil is way up on historical prices and the European economy has been in recession since 2008. Britain is still 5% down on 2008 and without any present growth. The economic situation is likely to worsen as the years go on and oil becomes more expensive.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Br...ot_monthly.svg

    If we take control of Greece then great but the bigger picture is where we will be in 10 or 20 years time. The strength of the economy will be a key underlying factor and things arent looking too good for the status quo. Economic collapse gave us power back in the 1930s and it may well do the same in the 2020s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Today is May 12, and within a few days polls "indicate" 9 points difference. In other words, these polls obviously indicate nothing

    In addition, polls are not votes, maybe specially currently in Greece where people are angered and disappointed by the inability of the "mainstream" parties.
    True. There is also the fact that polls don't tend to be accurate for parties such as Golden Dawn, as those surveyed will not often admit to voting for "politically incorrect" parties. I believe this poll gives essentially the same support for GD as polls done before the election, which generally suggested about 5%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredericus Rex View Post
    Neither the EU nor NATO is going to tolerate that.
    They wont tolerate it because the US and its financiers wont tolerate it.
    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Germania Magna
    I think that we could soon get a military government in Greece. First the centre will fail, then the Left will try to take over, then we take over with the military. Historically thats the pattern. So its no problem whatsoever if the Left wins new elections. The Left wont be able to stop the collapse of the Greek economy, likely they would accelerate the decline. Then Greece will be ready for us.
    Unfortunately, I have to agree with Fredericus Rex. Last time a country tried 'they' mobilised half the world (literally) against it. And with the probably last remaining one 'they' pretend that it is an isolationist military dictatorship, where the west just waits for an excuse to take it out (difference: nukes, that Germany had not). The military dictatorship that was in Greece probably wasnt problematic for the powers that be, just as the USSR wasnt a problem.

    Unless the "west" wakes up and "we" take over, nothing of that sort is going to happen without that UN, NATO and the JewSA will come to "liberate" Greece again. And to be honest, I dont see the west waking up anytime soon. Not unless something really really bad happens anyway, and I'm not sure whether some economic turmoil will be enough.

    In addition, the peak oil is not as threatening for us than it is for other countries probably. It's possible to extract oil from slate (Europe is full of that), there have also been successful experiments with bacterias that produce something that can be used like oil. There's also lots of technology already that works without any oil or fossile fuel, and it's anyway high time that we get away from combustion engines. Recent inventions would already allow for a completely decentralised power supply in houses.

    Of course, the powers that be want that technology which keeps the consumers dependent on suppliers, so they're not exactly fans of such technology. Comes the time when the dependency cannot be maintained anymore because fuel is out, they'd still want their consumerist based economy, so they'll release this technology into the economy and will create other dependencies. The preparations are already there and will be food supply. Look at the Food Safety Act in the US (Monsanto), there are similar mechanisms in place in the EU already. Seeds must be bought from megasuppliers and the fruits and veggies are infertile, so that from the harvest new seeds cant be extracted anymore.

    This is the way more dangerous dependency than oil is. And imho it's even a way more effective threat to "convince" countries to do what they want. Stop the seed supply and the entire EU will starve to death within half a year or so.


    Well, let's see how it develops for now in Greece, and if the rest of Europe gets his act together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Germania Magna View Post
    Whether they can stop it is another matter. They didnt stop it in Greece last time. It would be the first time since WWII that a European country has been invaded to depose a nationalist government. Im not saying that they wouldnt do it but we will have to wait and see what happens.
    Well I don't think they'd be invaded at first-most probably sanctions and economic isolations and if the UN approves, bombings or more likely due to technology drone strikes at first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredericus Rex View Post
    Well I don't think they'd be invaded at first-most probably sanctions and economic isolations and if the UN approves, bombings or more likely due to technology drone strikes at first.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-Wtf...Cp1aegoMqRaCZg

    I was just watching a discussion on the English youtube channel of Deutsche Welle and the German suggested that the international community would have to flood Greece with money, if Greece leaves the Euro, in order to avoid the Greek state failing. Of course it remains to be seen whether they can pull that one off and avoid a military government in Greece: the whole reason for the crisis is that there isnt the money to chuck at countries. The Greek in the discussion said that the Nazis should be banned in any case. If Greece fails then Im not sure that sanctions or isolation would make much difference to the Greek economy because the banks wouldnt go near Greece in any case. Anyway, the failure of the Greek state would be an immense shock to the international community and I doubt that they would attack Greece with a hammer. They may just have to lump it. Only time will tell. Anyway we are still in early days of the peak oil crisis, world affairs are likely to get ever more interesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    In addition, the peak oil is not as threatening for us than it is for other countries probably. It's possible to extract oil from slate (Europe is full of that), there have also been successful experiments with bacterias that produce something that can be used like oil. There's also lots of technology already that works without any oil or fossile fuel, and it's anyway high time that we get away from combustion engines. Recent inventions would already allow for a completely decentralised power supply in houses.
    Peak oil effects all of us because western countries rely on the importation of oil. A rise in oil price has preceded all of the economic downturns of the past two centuries. There is a clear historical correlation between the two, which is rarely discussed. Oil rose from $40 dollars a barrel in 2006, when oil production ceased to rise, to $140 in 2008, which led to the banking crisis and the economic downturn. The price declined as demand declined but its now back up to $110 and economies are still way down on 2008 and without growth. Only time will tell how long we have before the present plateau of oil production turns into a decline of production and whether oil production will decline in steps or go over a cliff. Btw, the governments and industry experts _all_ agree that peak oil has already happened or is about to happen: its not a conspiracy theory. I dont think that anyone knows how fast the oil situation will deteriorate or what the social impact will be but governments are concerned that we could be devastated within a decade or two.

    Unconventional oil is no substitute for the cheap oil that has driven economies hitherto. We are beginning to use unconventional sources precisely because oil is now 3X the price that it was in 2006, which makes more expensive sources more viable than they were in the past. If conventional oil fell in price, because of recession and a fall in demand, then other sources would no longer be viable. So the use of unconventional oil depends precisely on high prices - prices that dont allow for economic growth or the service of debts. Also, only a small minority of oil is presently obtained from unconventional sources and Im not sure how much would be viable and at what oil price. We rely utterly on oil for fuel for transport and we dont have any alternative nor is there any possibility of us developing any in the short term. It would take decades to rebuild our infrastructures to rely on any other source and there simply isnt the money or the time for that. Capitalism responds to short term profit and we have inevitably left it too late.

    There is a lot of good articles by academics and industry experts on the Oil Drum website that discuss in more detail the points that you have raised. Have a browse. I will pinpoint some specific articles tomorrow.

    http://www.theoildrum.com/

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