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Thread: Explosion Rocks Norwegian PM's Office / Anders Breivik Trial

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    Quote Originally Posted by preuss View Post
    Can we expect nationalist and right-wing groups to clearly disown this lunatic? Can we expect them to issues statements of complete rejection for individuals like Ander B Breivik?
    I condemn anyone willing to kill a child.

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    At 18 now holds the police a press briefing at the police station in Greenland, where they update the media on the situation after the shooting of vermin and the bomb in the government quarter yesterday.

    Dagbladet.no follows directly in this case. Press refresh for latest news.

    Acting Police Chief Sveinung Sponheim account of the development.

    - First I will say little about the development of insects. There is still searching for missing at sea, and it will continue until it is clear whether they are there or elsewhere.

    - The technical studies are well underway.

    - Persons charged has been questioned throughout the day. He has been a lawyer he wanted, and questioning continues. It is ikek come data in questioning whether he was alone on this.

    - He has confirmed a number of events we know of. He has not said anything about the subject.

    Sponheim said that interrogations are going to take several days.

    - There are four to five missing in Utøya.

    - The investigation goes on very broad front. We get a lot of information that must be checked more closely.

    - It is applied to two weapons at Utøya. A etthåndsvåpen and a two-handed weapons.

    - What I can say about his arrest, is that when the emergency squad arrived Utøya and he was hailed, surrendered himself to police immediately.

    - Questioning of him is difficult. We have received some information through the media, internet and witnesses. But it remains to see if what he claims to stand for political motive is behind.

    Police could not confirm whether he has weapons license.

    The defender does not want the police to give his name.

    - The numbers of fatalities could rise, but how much I can not say anything about.

    - It took just under a half hour from the shooting started until he was arrested. The response time from when we were told in Oslo until we arrived was 40 minutes. It was initially difficult to get hold of the boat.

    - It was not real explosives that were found in insects.

    - We are not sure that there was only one assailant, and that is what we are working to find out.

    - We do not know if he has planned it for a long time.

    - The bomb in the government building was in a car. It was not there very long. The car he used to Utøya is towed to the NCIS for investigation.

    - When the police call him, he put down the gun and surrendered.

    - He has acknowledged that he was out there, that he had weapons and fired shots.

    - We do not know if it is found uavfyrt ammunition.

    - The police will not say if there were more guns in the car seized.

    - We investigate the electronic tracks.

    - Hard to say whether he is related to a particular environment.

    - The offender is imprisoned at the police station.

    - He will probably be made for the detention on Monday.

    - We have not brought anyone in his circle.

    - We have no indications of more attacks.

    - There are many witnesses to be questioned. There are many survivors of Utøya who have experienced things, and it's tough questioning that will take time.

    - We got help from the defense including helicopter transport of the bomb group. Beredsskapstroppen in Oslo was already clear in connection with the incident in the government quarter and was omdirrigert to Utøya.

    - We do not know where he got the police uniform from, we will clarify later.

    - Can not say how much ammunition was used there.

    Earlier today, the Oslo city closed off after a tip the police wanted to check out.
    - It was not made any findings.

    - There are found large quantities of fertilizer on his farm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sybren View Post
    Precisely.

    People are emotional at this point and obviously need something/someone to blame it all on. There's time for more rational thoughts at a later point in time.
    So because people are "emotional" about this, they should just give vent to whatever conspiracy theory fits them best, regardless of whether there is any factual proof of it. Is this what you're saying?
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    The media hereabouts is basically reporting that he is a right-wing extremist (or militant) as well as a "fundamentalist Christian". Of course there is no mention of his apparent pro-Israel beliefs.

    In terms of his being a "fundamentalist Christian" there are several things that clearly contradict this. The fact that he is a Mason, advocated a return of the Protestant Church to the Catholic, and his apparently liberal taste in literature. The left-wing media is having a field day with this, it's a shame that several people posting here have bought into their assertion that he's a "fundamentalist Christian".

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    Quote Originally Posted by beowulf wodenson View Post
    The general international media seem to relish that the suspect is an ethnic Northman, "blond, blue-eyed", etc. and not some gang of alien Islamic terrorists.
    Whatever the case, a tragic and vile act of murder.
    I noticed something very peculiar about the way this event is being covered by journalists and responded to by the public in Flanders. While the media make it clear the murderer(s) are linked to the far right, they also admit that there's no link to be found with neonazism.

    I just had a look at the most popular news site in Flanders - HLN.be - the article dealing with these killings generated less than 60 replies. Articles about ethnic tensions between Flemings and Walloons generate between 200 and 700 replies.

    And most of the replies to yesterday's events are from rightwing and nationalist people, most blame multiculturalism or they write something are along the lines of 'it isn't okay what Breivik did, but that's what you get if the government ignores the pleas of millions of their own people'.

    I was reminded of the quote from The Headhunter by Michael Whitehouse: You ignore the will of the (British) people at your peril. For every million tolerant, gentle and stoical souls who will bear the terrible burdens you impose with quiet resignation, there may emerge a vengeful psychopath who will not.
    “Remember that all worlds draw to an end and that noble death is a treasure which no-one is too poor to buy.” - C. S. Lewis, The Last Battle

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    I don't know if it is posted already, but here is an eyewitness report of one of the survivors of the Utøya shooting:

    Norwegian massacre eyewitness statement
    (don't read when you are very emotional)

    It really gives you an idea of the horror that these people went through... Lump in my throat now...

    Quote Originally Posted by Schopenhauer View Post
    So because people are "emotional" about this, they should just give vent to whatever conspiracy theory fits them best, regardless of whether there is any factual proof of it. Is this what you're saying?
    All i'm saying is that you should take things that are said right now with a grain of salt. I'm not big on conspiracy theories either, but if they help to make things a little less hard for some, who cares. In a few days people will be able to look more rational at things.
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    Please, stop the conspirasy!
    We dont have a left-wing media in norway!

    There is alot of mentioning about his pro-israel belives!
    I hear it every 30 minutes.


    im so sick of people who makes conclutions like you, gardisten.
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    This crime was the work of one really sick person...

    I don't think any organization other that this one guy was involved...

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    What are you talking about? I haven't made any "conclutions" about anything, I've just been pointing out contradictions and misinformation in what the media has been reporting.

    The mainstream media by nature left-wing. If you don't recognize that and/or don't want to accept it, then that's your problem. But don't come on here an tell me that I can't question what the media claims to be the "truth".

    Quote Originally Posted by Lydig View Post
    Please, stop the conspirasy!
    We dont have a left-wing media in norway!

    There is alot of mentioning about his pro-israel belives!
    I hear it every 30 minutes.


    im so sick of people who makes conclutions like you, gardisten.

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    I am scared of it being link with Norwegian nationalism; if it is it will hurt Norwegian nationalism even more (even though a true nationalist would never do such a thing to his own people) which in turn will ultimately hurt Norwegian racial and cultural identity even more

    Fjordman writes about the immigrant rape epidemic in Scandinavia using official statistics when the mainstream media won’t now he too has been tainted it seems



    Originally I thought (when I thought it Islamists) that this horrible tragedy may somehow help Norwegians stop the ruin upon their racial and cultural identity


    The government still has blood on its hands as its policy of multiculturalism helped created this alienated monster


    I remember an EDL leader saying in an interview that if this continues soon an English lad will be blowing themselves up


    He was a horrible disgusting person and no nationalist however Norway’s politician policies helped create it!

    His actions are inexcusable I just feel sick

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