Ideas for Productive Sentences

[svartabrandr]

In my opinion once someone is sentenced and sent to jail our prime concern should be getting as much out of him/her as possible. In prisons in Canada for example once someone commits murder and is found guilty he is simply going to go to jail for a long time. Not much good comes out of this. According to statistics it cost $68,985 a year per canadian prisoner in 2001 and the costs are rising. So not only are we not gaining anything from these criminals but we are paying large amounts of money for them to sit around. Those that commit severe enough crimes aren’t getting punished that much and most of them do not get rehabilitated. I think that some of these people should be "donated to science". Various experiments, medical procedures etc. could be performed on them which could greatly benefit the people. Others could be killed and their organs could be given to those who could put them to good use. Others still could have blood drawn from them regularly for the blood banks. Perhaps the higher profile criminals could be executed and then the body could be auctioned off to the highest bidder? The money could then be donated to various organizations. I am sure hard labor could also be put to good use(I wonder how much power we could get if we hooked up a couple of prisons to generators and put all their prisoners on some treadmills)

What are your thoughts? Do any of you agree? Any other ideas?

[Moody]

I'm not sure we'd want the blood and organs of criminals; the idea is to get their blood OUT of the gene-pool.

I would like to see a creative roster of beatings and mutilations, as well as the use of exile.
Hard labour too could be brought back, as you suggest.

But I would not like to view the criminal as a comodity used to make money: - that is ignoble.
By the same token, our liberal system DOES spend too much on them.

[Awar]

The DNA of a donated organ has nothing to do with criminality.
Anyway, not everyone who is a criminal is genetically predisposed to be a criminal, some things happen out of circumstance. The world is infinitely more complex than that.

First of all, let's see if the penal system works at all. What sort of people are incarcerated, why did they commit crimes, why were they sentenced.
How much would hard labour of criminals have an effect on other aspects of society.
Would it work so well, that it would tempt the authorities to make more people into slaves, just to make a buck on every new prisoner.

Political prisoners exist and also cost money. What if a fellow National-Socialist of yours got incarcerated for his political activism, would you support the penal system using him as a slave?

[Moody]

The DNA of a donated organ has nothing to do with criminality.
Anyway, not everyone who is a criminal is genetically predisposed to be a criminal, some things happen out of circumstance. The world is infinitely more complex than that.

First of all, let's see if the penal system works at all. What sort of people are incarcerated, why did they commit crimes, why were they sentenced.
How much would hard labour of criminals have an effect on other aspects of society.
Would it work so well, that it would tempt the authorities to make more people into slaves, just to make a buck on every new prisoner.

Political prisoners exist and also cost money. What if a fellow National-Socialist of yours got incarcerated for his political activism, would you support the penal system using him as a slave?

My ideal Penal system would be a N-S system. So if N-S were penalised it would be for non-N-S activities.

As for whether a penal system "works" or not; no system is going to eradicate crime, as this is a tendency of human beings anyway.

So whether we spend lots of money trying to rehabilitate criminals [as in liberal systems] or we give them a spartan regime of hard labour, corporal punishment, exile, castration, sterilisation, and capital punishment [as I would advocate], - criminals will still be there.

However, I believe the latter measures produce a better civil order, and they also assuage the desire for retribution felt by mankind at large.

Indeed, punishment is a kind of festival and joy, which we lack today.

Whether criminality is a matter of genes or not, I do not accept that serious criminals should be allowed to breed or to pollute the populace at large.
So I use the term "better out of the gene-pool" in that sense.

And if research eventually proves that serious criminality is gene-based, then so much the better.

What are your solutions to this complex problem?

[svartabrandr]

I'm not sure we'd want the blood and organs of criminals; the idea is to get their blood OUT of the gene-pool.

Giving the organs of criminals to another would not change the genes of that person. Same thing with blood. No need to worry.

Political prisoners exist and also cost money. What if a fellow National-Socialist of yours got incarcerated for his political activism, would you support the penal system using him as a slave?

All of what I said in my original post are things that I would only like to see applied once a proper government is in power so having fellow ns people punished would not be a problem.

Would it work so well, that it would tempt the authorities to make more people into slaves, just to make a buck on every new prisoner.

Nothing would change with the authorities. They would not gain anything new from arresting people. As for possible pressures from scientist or others I dont see this happening as there are more then enough prisoners to go around. Plus even if more people got arrested the would still have to be found guilty.

I do not accept that serious criminals should be allowed to breed or to pollute the populace at large.

I agree with you on this point. Serious criminals should be castrated.

Wouldn’t giving human subjects to scientist so that they may test government approved expirements be a win win situation? I am sure the experiments would not be pleasant and we could advance our knowledge in various fields. These projects would all be things that could make life better for the country. Wouldn’t this be better then simply punishing them? In a way we would be forcing these people to contribute to society.

[Telperion]

Every menial job which ordinary Canadians apparently refuse to do (seasonal fruit-picking, street-cleaning, etc.) could be farmed out to criminals convicted of minor crimes. The benefit of this is that immigration advocates would no longer be able to use the refusal of Canadians to do these jobs as a rationale for importing immigrants (and their families) to do them.

As for major felons, they should simply be euthanized. They are too dangerous to be trusted with any responsible task, and it is outrageous to spend thousands of dollars per year on their upkeep.

[bocian]

The Canadian Legal system is an absolute joke. Homolka anyone?

As Telperion suggested, murderers should be euthanized. Why waste money on the bastard, and moreover why in the hell should we want to 'rehabilitate' him/her? If there is such a thing as rehabilitation...

Castration seems like a fair penalty for sex offenders, along with jail time.

Asbestos removal seems like a good job for them. Or even better, crash test dummies. For example, If the "dummy" survives the crash then his sentence would be lowered from death to life, or something along those lines.

[TisaAnne]

I would like to see a creative roster of beatings and mutilations

I believe that a criminal deserves his/her punishment...but I don't feel that any means of torture or brutality is morally justifiable. Torture as means of punishment has been around forever...and did it ever do any good? Did people follow the examples of the criminals who were mutilated and beaten? No...unfortunately, consequence is simply over looked by those who truly wish to be deviants.

As for the scientific experiments... that, IMO, is barbaric. Even though a person can commit an atrocious crime, I don't feel that turning them into lab rats is right or just. Because a person makes a mistake is no reason for them to be subjected, unwillingly, to the frighteningly horrible whims of science. The criminal deserves to be punished, but not poked, prodded and tortured for the "greater good of humanity"...What would that say about the morals and regard for human life that upstanding individuals are supposed to possess?

For serious criminals, as said before, euthanasia is the easiest, cheapest and most humane method for erradicating those who have committed a terrible crime. "Eye for an eye" is where logic meets justice.

Hard labour too could be brought back, as you suggest.

Hard labor is, I think, the best idea out of every one proposed. Make the bastards work...even if it's until they are old and decrepit, make them pay for the crimes that they have committed. Put prisoners in factories, fields and building sites...free labor would save tons of money and take away the jobs that most immigrants already have anyway. (if there were no jobs for immigrants, maybe they would leave?!!! )

[svartabrandr]

Every menial job which ordinary Canadians apparently refuse to do (seasonal fruit-picking, street-cleaning, etc.) could be farmed out to criminals convicted of minor crimes. The benefit of this is that immigration advocates would no longer be able to use the refusal of Canadians to do these jobs as a rationale for importing immigrants (and their families) to do them.

Hard labor is, I think, the best idea out of every one proposed. Make the bastards work...even if it's until they are old and decrepit, make them pay for the crimes that they have committed. Put prisoners in factories, fields and building sites...free labor would save tons of money and take away the jobs that most immigrants already have anyway. (if there were no jobs for immigrants, maybe they would leave?!!! )

Thats a great idea. For some reason I did not think of the immigrant angle.

[Northern Paladin]

More Effecient Death Row Process.
The fact it could take 10 Years just to execute someone is Ridiculous.
Why should a Murder be given that much time? A total waste of Public funds/resources is what it is.
They had the right idea back in the old days. A rope around the Neck or a Bullet between the Eyes.

Harsher Punishments(Longer Sentences). Forced Physcial labor of Immates(Prison should be Hell). Immates should be forced to pay back "Society" through Physical Labor and various building projects.

More Executions. There is too much Scum out there. Most are unredeemable. If you let them out they will just return and be a strain upon the System so why not just Execute them?